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What do you consider to be good food?

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by marc37, Jun 23, 2004.

  1. T4phage

    T4phage Senior member

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    "To get deeper into the Woo Woo" Here is another, funnier site regarding a wheatgrass diet: Skeptico's Blog I love this line: "So it's official. For all the good this stuff does, you might as well stick it up your a**." Now I understand your enema fondess Marc. [​IMG]
     
  2. faustian bargain

    faustian bargain Senior member

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    you guys are silly.

    i line my tinfoil cap with the sludge leftover from making wheatgrass juice - and i tell you, it works wonders.

    not only does it induce a sense of cosmic serenity (the tinfoil by itself only shuts out the mind control waves), but also it energizes my scalp and fosters new hair growth. also it feels sexy.
     
  3. RJman

    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Hey Marc, did you hear that the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? No joke -- I heard Anne Wigmore removed it.
     
  4. norcaltransplant

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  5. MPS

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    Marc,

    Doesn't your regular tipple give you "piss-breath"? Just curious.
     
  6. imageWIS

    imageWIS Senior member

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    (marc37 @ May 26 2005,12:48)
    T4phage is my good m8. Eventhough he is a cheeky rascal. lmagewise = borring. (like watching grass grow really). From: the shooman.
    Thanks for proving my point; you may go now. Jon.

    l'll go when l'm good and ready. l don't listen to niaeve 23 year old kids. Stop spoiling this topic SON. Be on your way. From: Ronny.
    I'm intrigued: A) Why according to your opinion am I naïve? B) Who is Ronny? Jon.
    Marc (or is it Ronny?), I'm still waiting to a response to my 2 questions...think you can answer them ol' son? Jon.
     
  7. marc37

    marc37 Senior member

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    (marc37 @ May 27 2005,07:07)
    Marc, I really am curious. Â You claim that there is empirical evidence to substantiate your claims, and yet you have yet to rebutt the website information put forward by T4phage.
    Website info is really CHEAP. l did all my research the hard way.l have heard all these common arguements many times before. They have no validity.. Come on, challenge me guys. You are making me laugh at the moment, your arguements are very primative and simple.
    you've gotta be kidding. Â All you do is offer conclusory statements full of misspellings.
    CT Guy: You have to understand where l am coming from. l offer conclusory statements because l have lots of experience fixing disease. l have worked with many cancer patients and l have had wonderful results. l have proved myself. (l will admit that arthritis takes longer to fix). l talk authoritatively because l know what l'm talking about, simple as that. Believe me or not, l don't care. l have done much good in helping ailing human bodies overcome health issues. l am not just a guy that reads books and reports on what he has read. The books just back up what l have discovered anyway.
     
  8. marc37

    marc37 Senior member

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    To my old m8 T4phage: l [once again] have heard all these arguements before. Congratulations in actually making an effort to do abit of research. lt is the start of learning the truth. l welcome you issues that you bring up, you are clearly a thinking intelligent man. Well done. l used to have doubts about chlorophyll being very absorbable. The facts are that wheatgrass is 60% crude chloropyll yet is has amazing results in helping sick people regain their health. Why is that??? That's the whole point. Science might say that chloropyll is poorly absorbed, but how do they know. Wheatgrass juice is having a powerful affect on alot of sick people. l think the human body absorbs more than once thought. Anne Wigmores writings on the human bloodstream and chloropyll are amazing. As for food not having digestive enzymes. WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH. Foods like wheatgrass and fermented wheat sprout water has done much to help people who have poor digestion problems. Scientific research has shown foods like alfalfa etc to have all the 8 digestive enzymes intact. T4phage: the more l read your research article, the more l disrepect the source. THEY HAVE NOT DONE THEIR RESEARCH...
     
  9. marc37

    marc37 Senior member

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    Drinking my piss doesn't give me piss breath. My girl hasn't complained anyway. l must admit, she wasn't too keen about me when she first found out that l was drinking my piss but she is aware of the amazing research and experimentation l have done. l am abit of a legend is this part of the world. l am in the process of writing books but my daytime job and health consultations doesn't allow time me to finish them. One of my books is on the dangers of cooked food.

    lmagewise: stop wasting my time. This topic is in existance solely to educate my fellow man about health. Who cares who Ronny is, who cares if you are niave.

    Please: l welcome all the intelligent questions. Don't just write me off as a nut, l have acheived alot of amazing results through my health consultations. l have been offered consultancy jobs through large health food companies, unfortunately they won't pay me enough. l also advise health food companies on how to package their foods.
     
  10. norcaltransplant

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    Marc,
    1) Could you please define "enzyme" for me? A gross description of the major digestive enzymes might also be enlightening (entertaining).

    2) I noticed you included the 20 essentially amino acids in your recommended health guide. Could you please inform us why these amino acids are important? What happens if we are deficient in one of these amino acids? Oh, let's pick, a deficiency in tyrosine metabolism.

    3) How do you calculate the vitamin content in your urine? You must have very different kidneys than the rest of us.
     
  11. imageWIS

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    (MPS @ May 28 2005,00:03) Marc, Doesn't your regular tipple give you "piss-breath"? Just curious.
    Drinking my piss doesn't give me piss breath. My girl hasn't complained anyway. l must admit, she wasn't too keen about me when she first found out that l was drinking my piss but she is aware of the amazing research and experimentation l have done. l am abit of a legend is this part of the world. l am in the process of writing books but my daytime job and health consultations doesn't allow time me to finish them. One of my books is on the dangers of cooked food. lmagewise: stop wasting my time. This topic is in existance solely to educate my fellow man about health. Who cares who Ronny is, who cares if you are niave. Please: l welcome all the intelligent questions. Don't just write me off as a nut, l have acheived alot of amazing results through my health consultations. l have been offered consultancy jobs through large health food companies, unfortunately they won't pay me enough. l also advise health food companies on how to package their foods.
    Marc, You're lack of argument to my posts are hilarious. You're short temper is an obvious sign that you have been drinking too much piss. Jon.
     
  12. T4phage

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    Originally posted by ImageWIS:
    .... and vinegar? Â [​IMG] All quotes posted by Marc 37:
    By doing research that follows the scientific method and one who's results are verifiable and peer reviewed. Â Something you have no idea of.
    That is AMAZING..... but utter garbage.... the major constituent of wheatgrass is WATER.
    Mark, your anecdotal evidence is like saying: Most people who get breast cancer wear skirts.... so wearing skirts causes breast cancer...... UTTER IDIOCY. On Chlorophyll: General Overview of Cholorphyll in the diet (National Council Against Health Fraud) Barley Grass - supposed role against cancer (NCAHF) From the Nutrition Forum May 1997 issue: Amazing Claims for Chlorophyll From the Diabetes Resource Center: On Alternative Medicines: Dietary Supplements, Herbs and Hormones  General article Valleyskeptic: Alternative Medicine, the Million Dollar Hoax Masterb8man, please READ the links above... and especially these to understand the nature of science: Some notes on the nature of science Why extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof edit: Carl Sagan's Balony Detection Kit
     
  13. marc37

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    l haven't read any of the material yet T4phage and all my other m8's. l am currently on holiday down at my holiday house on the coastline. Beautiful views of the ocean from all sides of the house. lt is my favourite place to be. Too good to be on the forum at the moment. l haven't seen another human being for a week. lt is gr8 m8. The town population of Kennett River is 1. On hot days you can walk naked down the path to the beach and never be noticed. lt is a real private place. Just like your own private beach. l think l might go golfing at Apollo Bay tomorrow (15 minutes away). l am starting to get alittle bored. l might even check out the social life and stay the night. l might even go jetskiing. l better mind those magic mushrooms growing in my front yard. Thanks for providing the info. l will read it soon and make further comments. [​IMG]
     
  14. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Marc,

    Epidemiological studies are notoriously difficult to conduct properly, and even than, even some very good studies have large flaws in them. In order to make the strong caims which you make, you would need not only to prove correlations (difficult enough as it is) but also causal relationships. You have done neither.

    You have offered only anecdotal evidence, which is not very compelling for the reasons stated above. Because the human body is such a complex system operating in a very complicated environment, only a very rigorous study involving a large (i.e. statistically relevant) number of patients would be very convincing at all.

    In all your posts, you have failed to provide evidence that you have ever looked at control groups (placebo effects are commonplace and well know), or considered other factors that may be important, environmental changes and changes in behaviour come immediately to mind.

    I don't expect that this will happen, but I hope that you would understand *why* T4 and others, including me are skeptical of your claims.

    BTW, and please do not take this as anything but me trying to understand you, but what is your level of formal education and training, and in what fields?
     
  15. marc37

    marc37 Senior member

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    Don't worry L.A Guy, l have nothing to worry about. l am very well educated [even though l don't always show it]. l actually had my l.Q tested when l was a kid. l was at genious level. l was dux of my college. l speak with much confidence because l know what l am talking about.

    Studying used to be easy in my teens and twenties.

    l don't act seriously because most people are boring because they appear [to me] unintelligent.

    l act stupid because l get bored. lntelligence can often lead to bordum. Sorry about the spelling, intelligent people have more important things to worry about. Spirituality rules. l know most people on this board would not understand this. Afterall, materialism breeds unevolved soles. Who else but unevolved soles would appreciate such unimportant things such as suits and shoes. Eventhough l love shoes, at least l put them in there proper pospective, that's the whole point.

    My education.

    Nothing but educated at the best private schools in Australia.

    Masters in Economics.

    Masters in Science with a thesis in diet. l was always in trouble with my professors but my ability to argue strong arguements got me through. My personal experience through abolishing disease through diet is very good. That's why l have confidence in what l say. Science has yet to prove many things. Science is often wrong. Science doesn't understand the human brain and many other bodily functions. Science can't prove that wheatgrass kills cancer yet scientific studies show that cancer can't survive in the presence of oxygen. BTW, wheatgrass is one of the best sources of oxygen. (Sorry about the scientificf ignorance [l have forgotten all the terminology] but my studies have proved science to be iffy at best. l believe science is most often wrong. Of course it is, Science is only in it's infancy. Science knows nothing of quantum phyhics etc. l respect science to some degree but often [science as we know it] is way off the mark. We are trying but science still has alot to proove).

    Sorry T4phage, science ain't all that. Why is it that science
    people are so narrow minded.
     
  16. marc37

    marc37 Senior member

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    When l was at school, l always found that science people were always good at maths and science but were never good at English. Science people have trouble expressing themselves. l have trouble respecting them. l think T4phage is one of the few intelligent people on this forum yet l wonder how good he did at English, Law, History and Politics. Maybe T4phage should be a doctor. LOL. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  17. gardel

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    Quackery, plain and simple.

    If you want to convince people you are right, you'll need to start proving things yourself rather than discounting the science of others.
     
  18. faustian bargain

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    *yawn* who is the boring one here? you realize of course that he doesn't want to convince anyone of anything. he's just taking the piss. (sorry to rain on your parade, marc. so to speak. [​IMG] ) anyway, everybody knows that everything works backwards in australia, due to the coriolus effect. so just take everything marc says, and reverse it. [​IMG]
     
  19. LA Guy

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    Marc, I think that your views on science are rather naive. From a utilitarian standpoint (no need to get into a protracted argument about metatheory here) it is not a perfect tool, but it happens to be a useful one. Moreover, it allows a basis for meaningful discourse, which is painfully lacking in this thread. Yes, science cannot *prove* many things. However, you certainly haven't provided better methodological tools. You cite personal experience and anecdotal evidence , both are suspect at worst, and to be viewed with extreme skepticism at best. Perhaps you could use logical tools to convince us that your views on diet are at least defensible, since apparently enough academics were sufficiently convinced by such for you to have obtained your Masters. I agree with you that many scientists are rather narrow-minded and have a limited understanding of areas of study beyond science. I think that the fact that so many scientists are atheists based on the fundamental inability to prove the existence of God shows that many scientists need to go back and read a little Augustine. Also, don't take it too much to heart when you are found to be a *genius* after taking a battery of tests. Trust me on this one.
     
  20. bachbeet

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    "I was thinking the same thing.

    Besides, as the song goes, who wants to live forever?"

    Reminds me of a movie I saw but can't remember the name of. A family reuinon occurs with family and friends. At the home of one of them whose family is in the mortuary business and there is a mortuary attached to the house. Some of the guys are looking at one of the cadavers being prepared. The cadaver died at something like 94. One of the young guys says "Who the hell wants to live to be 94?." Another guy looks at him and deadpans "93 year olds."

    As for marc37's ideas: too extreme. I do avoid meats but love fish. I do cook food and get a lot of protein from soy sources. Make a great soy bean chili. Also make some of the recipes from the Diet for a Small Planet book. Although it's protein combo theories have been disproven, it still is worthwhile to avoid animal sources with all the steroids, etc.

    Finally, if one were to only eat fast foods (a lot of fatty meats, etc) one would die younger than normal. And, I see no great pleasure from such a diet. Just see the movie Supersize me.
     

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