What do you consider to be good food?

[T4phage]

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(esquire. @ June 22 2005,03:18) what does that have to do with anything? what's your occupation, and why would that be affected by the end of the financial year? i thought you were a self educated doctor.
end of financial year in australia is personal tax return time, takes between a few minutes and a few days to do, depending on how messy your life is.
Don't millionaires have people to do their tax returns for them? Marc said he was a millionaire......

 

[marc37]

Shooman,

do you grow your own wheatgrass?  I hear it's difficult -- that most do the hydroponic (sp?) route.

On a more serious note, a quick google of wigmore (ah the phrase sends shivers down me spine) indicates that there are quite a few retreats/restorative clinics that follow the Wigmorean Way.  I thought perhaps it would be nice if we could all get together for a meeting at one of these places.

Of course l grow my own wheat grass.

l always sprout wholegrain wheat for two days and then l put them (2 day old wheat sprouts) on soil.

Note: before l sprout the whole grain wheat, l soak it for 12-24 hours in kelp water.

l also sprout buckwheat, sunflower seeds, corn and peas on soil.

lt is so easy to grow soil greens and sprouts. Try to get the `wheatgrass book' and `sprouting book' by Ann Wigmore. That'll tell you.

The great thing about growing grass is that it takes arpound 7 - 8 days to grow it whereas vegies take 50 - 90 days. Wheatgrass is 20 times more nutritous than broccolli or spinach.

 

[T4phage]

Wheatgrass is 20 times more nutritous than broccolli or spinach.

Marc, how many times do we have to ask you..... provide data, data that is done by credible scientists, not your unreliable experts. I have yet to find any credible scientific data that would support your statement... you have no evidence. What you are giving us so far is your imaginaries.

 

[marc37]

T4phage: you are going alittle over board, to the point of being silly. Listen; it is not that hard to test for various vitamin and minerals in foods. l have had it done myself.

 

[T4phage]

T4phage: you are going alittle over board, to the point of being silly. Listen; it is not that hard to test for various vitamin and minerals in foods. l have had it done myself.

Okay.. HOW did you do it?
What equipment and protocols did you follow?
What reagents did you use?

 

[marc37]

lt was a long time ago. l got a laboritory to take out the tests. l wanted proof that sprouted juices were more nutritous than vegie juices. l also tested afew seeds.

 

[Matt]

lt was a long time ago. l got a laboritory to take out the tests. l wanted proof that sprouted juices were more nutritous than vegie juices. l also tested afew seeds.

if the sign says "laboritory" i recommend going someplace else

 

[marc37]

T4phage needs to drink a dailey wheatgrass juice to add some nutrition to his severley lacking diet. He has been acting alittle funny today, these are the first signs.

Poor nutrition = disease.

 

[T4phage]

lt was a long time ago. l got a laboritory to take out the tests. l wanted proof that sprouted juices were more nutritous than vegie juices. l also tested afew seeds.

Was the lab run by Heckle and Jeckel? Or by Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck?

 

[RJman]

Shoomaster b8man wrote:

T4phage needs to drink a dailey wheatgrass juice to add some nutrition to his severley lacking diet. He has been acting alittle funny today, these are the first signs.

Poor nutrition = disease.

What's your excuse then?

 

[T4phage]

Shoomaster b8man wrote:
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T4phage needs to drink a dailey wheatgrass juice to add some nutrition to his severley lacking diet. He has been acting alittle funny today, these are the first signs. Poor nutrition = disease.
What's your excuse then?
"Common symptoms include diarrhea, itch, pain, fatigue, soreness of the shoulder, fever, etc. These symptoms appear more frequently in patients suffering long term or more serious illnesses, and symptoms may repeat several times. Each episode may last 3-7 days, but sometimes it may last one month, or even worse over 6 months" From: Skeptic Dictionary... Urine Therapy.

 

[faustian bargain]

Guess what? I got a fever. And the only prescription.. is more cowbell.

 

[marc37]

Most people l have given chlorella (green algae) to have not had a cold in years [even if they had cold regularly previously]. l used to get colds around 3 times a year. Since taking chlorella and having raw grasses, sprouts and weeds, l haven't been sick for many years.......l wonder how many colds T4phage gets?????

l bet he has his fair share.

Regards: Ann Wigmores understudy.

 

[marc37]

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(RJMan @ June 23 2005,17:31) Shoomaster b8man wrote: Quote T4phage needs to drink a dailey wheatgrass juice to add some nutrition to his severley lacking diet. He has been acting alittle funny today, these are the first signs. Poor nutrition = disease.
What's your excuse then?
"Common symptoms include diarrhea, itch, pain, fatigue, soreness of the shoulder,  fever, etc. These symptoms appear more frequently in patients suffering long term or  more serious illnesses, and symptoms may repeat several times. Each episode may last  3-7 days, but sometimes it may last one month, or even worse over 6 months" From: Skeptic Dictionary... Urine Therapy.[/quote] lnteresting article on urine. One thing l do have to say about the Vitamin C excess [that they mentioned about], is that their theorey here is alittle off. We have to remember the vitamin C retention is very short (maybe 1-2 hours). So our needs for vitamin C are always oncoming, therefore deficiences can easily arise. lt's best to have too much than too little nutrients. Especially if they are taken safely.

 

[marc37]

All quotes by marc 37:
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Drinking freshly squeezed wheatgrass juice [in the morning and before dinner if you can]will definately make it easier to cut down on the cigarettes. The grass will neutralize all the toxins in the cigarettes and add ample nutrition to your blood.
How?  How?  Marc, don't give statements as fact. Back it up with real scientific evidence  How does wheatgrass juice neutralize the free radicals? What components of wheatgrass in SUFFICIENT AMOUNTS could make a difference?

Well, to produce healthy blood you need iron, B vitamins, folic acid, copper, potassion and protein. Wheatgrass and chlorella contain all these nutrients in abundand quanities. The more alkaline foods you eat raw, the lower the nutrition required to get your dailey needs. Alittle bit ironic isn't it?

What is ironic? Your blind insistance that wheatgrass/algae have such nutrients in any meaningful quantities?        Wheatgrass    Amounts in common cooked foods      (Seven 3.5 gm tablets) Protein     860 mg    2,300 mg in 1/2 cup cooked broccoli Beta carotene  1,668 IU   20,253 IU in one raw carrot Vit. B12    0.05 mcg    1 mcg in 8 oz 2% milk Calcium    15 mg      89 mg in 1/2 cup cooked broccoli Magnesium  3.9 mg      47 mg in 1/2 cup cooked broccoli Phosphorus  3.9 mg     37 mg in 1/2 cup cooked broccoli Iron      0.87 mg     2.2 mg in one cup cooked macaroni from: NCAHF Wheatgrass Therapy Furthermore (from the same article): "Wigmore theorized that rotting food in the intestine forms toxins that circulate in the bloodstream (aka, the intestinal toxicity theory) and cause cancer [2]. She taught that the life span of the wheatgrass juice was less than three hours, so it had to be cut from growing plants, juiced and consumed fresh. She speculated that the enzymes found in raw wheatgrass were alive and could "detoxify" the body by oral ingestion and by enemas. Wheatgrass is prepared by sprouting wheat berries and growing them until they form chlorophyll. It was the chlorophyll in wheatgrass that enthused Wigmore. She called chlorophyll "the life blood of the planet." Wigmore believed that cooking foods "killed" them because this deactivates enzymes. She held that the moment the "sacred" 7.4 acid-alkaline balance (the same as human blood) is "killed" that its effectiveness would be reduced [3]. (For information on exaggerations about the similarities between hemoglobin and chlorophyll see NCAHF's statement on chlorophyll.) Enzymes are complex protein molecules produced by living organisms exclusively for their own use in promoting chemical reactions. Orally ingested enzymes are digested in the stomach and have no enzymatic activity in the eater. Enzymes do not fulfill the biological criteria for living things, because they do not: (1) consist of cellular units; (2) possess reproductive ability; (3) demonstrate irritability; (4) carry on metabolism; or, (5) grow. (Fuller **. The Plant World New York: Henry Holt & Co., 1956, pp.6-7). .......The fact that grass-eating animals are not spared from cancer, despite their large intake of fresh chlorophyll, seems to have been lost on Wigmore.  fact, chlorophyll cannot "detoxify the body" since it is not absorbed [4]. Although it is conceivable that enzymes present in rectally-administered wheatgrass juice could have chemical activity, there is no evidence that this is beneficial. In fact, when challenged legally, Wigmore backed away from healing claims stating that she merely had an "educational program" to teach people how to "cleanse" their bodies and make vegetable juices (she also offered for sale a variety of juicers and other "health" paraphernalia). [5] In 1988, the Massachusetts Attorney General sued Wigmore for claiming that her "energy enzyme soup" could cure AIDS [6]. Suffolk County Judge Robert A. Mulligan ruled that Wigmore's views on how to combat AIDS were protected by the First Amendment, but ordered her to stop representing herself as a physician or as a person licensed in any way to treat disease. This was not the first time Wigmore had run afoul of the law. In 1982, the Attorney General of Massachusetts sued Wigmore for claiming that her program could reduce or eliminate the need for insulin in diabetics, and could obviate the need for routine immunization in children. She abandoned those claims after losing in court. MARC, read that article.

l will be back in a big way very soon to address all these misunderstandings put to me by various members

Make sure you only post the thumbnails... pg. 27 is ridiculous Marc.. repost the images using the thumbnails
Actually this irony can be explained. Eventhough, the cooked foods seem to contain higher nutrition (which l doubt anyway), it has to be remembered that with wheatgrass, it is very easily absorbed (much easier than cooked food), therefore your dailey needs are less anyway. When your food is cooked: all of the food enzymes are killed, protein is destroyed [in large amounts], vitamins are destroyed, this is why you need to eat more. A big problem with the study was that they only used 3.5 grams of dry wheatgrass tablets. THEY DIDN'T USE FRESH ORGANIC WHEATGRASS JUICE. What you have posted doesn't have a whole lot of validity... lf you serve equivalent weight for vegies and wheatgrass, wheatgrass will always win hands down. You have to be careful of nutrition charts, they can be misleading. And another thing, l mentioned that wheatgrass was 65% crude chlorophyll. l made a typing mistake because l intended to say was "65% of the SOLID matter of wheatgrass is crude chlorophyll".