What can Kobe/Lebron do to surpass Jordan?

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  1. dcg

    dcg Senior member

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    btw, kobe is a better human than MJ who really is/was a piece of shit
    I often see this mentioned and am inclined to agree, but am curious as to the specific reasons?
     
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    cheat, gambler, all around douche.
     
  3. Thomas

    Thomas Senior member

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    kobe, another ring or 2.

    lebron, nothing


    I agree with this, but nobody's mentioning the championship he won at UNC - you knew even then he was good but in the early NBA days he was a lot of flash - like a shorter Dominique Wilkins - who evolved and then got his teammates better. Kobe has no college, which is a four-year head start, and has evolved somewhat - but Lebron, I don't expect much from him in terms of learning and leadership.

    Also: whining. Did Jordan whine at press conferences or blame others/make excuses for his losses? I don't remember hearing much out of him in that regard.

    btw, kobe is a better human than MJ who really is/was a piece of shit

    This is probably right, but Jordan is more simpatico than Kobe or Lebron, failings and all.
     
  4. thekunk07

    thekunk07 Senior member

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    btw, correlalries with modern players:
    (none of them are as good as their elders, but)
    kobe=mj
    lebron=magic
    boozer=barkley
    durant=bernard king
    melo='nique

    i could go on, and no bird, because a)no good white players (not that bird comparison would have to be white), and b) no one has similar game IMO
     
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    MetroStyles Senior member

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    btw, correlalries with modern players:
    (none of them are as good as their elders, but)
    kobe=mj
    lebron=magic
    boozer=barkley
    durant=bernard king
    melo='nique

    i could go on, and no bird, because a)no good white players (not that bird comparison would have to be white), and b) no one has similar game IMO


    Cmon...Durant is worse than King?
     
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    thekunk07 Senior member

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    king was a phenomenal natural scorer, no disrespect to either of them. king before the injuries was awesome.
     
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    Suave Senior member

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    Lebron cannot enter these discussions anymore, he no longer qualifies. Kobe will never really reach Jordan status but a couple more rings wouldn't hurt.
    exactly
     
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    ...Fact is Jordan was a perfect 6 of 6 in the NBA Finals...

    That's a huge point.
    jordan was an icon

    The NBA was dying in the 70s. Magic and Bird got its popularity going, but Jordan turned the NBA into what it is. He made basketball popular throughout the world. In the end, Kobe will statistically have more rings and more points...he also started at 18(?) Kobe's biggest problem is that he played too near to (and overlapped) the Jordan era. The NBA didn't collapse and get resurrected. Before Jordan it was Wilt. 15 years from now, there will be another superstar of astronomical heights.
     
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    Jordan was the only reason I started watching basketball as a kid. Can you really say that about Kobe or Lebron? OK, maybe some people in Cleveland started watching basketball because of Lebron, but that's only because Cleveland is, well, Cleveland. How many kids living in Idaho started watching basketball because of Lebron or Kobe? When I was in 4th grade I remember going to this barber in my (very) small town and getting a Jordan shaved in the back of my head. This guy's entire business was fueled by the fact that he could shave a nearly perfect Jordan. Jordan was bigger than basketball, Kobe and Lebron are not.
     
  10. Baron

    Baron Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Durant is only 21 and already has a scoring title. He might go down as the greatest pure scorer of all time. He's phenomenal. He's going to average 32+ this year and I expect him to reach the high 30's in his peak.

     
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    Butter Senior member

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    btw, kobe is a better human than MJ who really is/was a piece of shit
    +1 This is from Chamillionaire, who's really a nobody but the guy has no reason to lie. I've also heard it from several other sources that met him in person. He just tries to avoid anything unless he's paid to do it. Put on a hellova an act. Fooled me too. They also called Scottie "No tippin' Pippen" in the service industry. Btw, for those who think Lebron can't do it. Are you seriously thinking if he got 10 rings in a row, he's not in the running? or 12? There has to be a point where you have to admit he's better.
     
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    Btw, for those who think Lebron can't do it. Are you seriously thinking if he got 10 rings in a row, he's not in the running? or 12? There has to be a point where you have to admit he's better.

    It's been said a bunch of times already, it's not just the game, it's the legacy. Lebron and Kobe could possibly surpass Jordan in the former, but the latter, no.
     
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    ... for those who think Lebron can't do it. Are you seriously thinking if he got 10 rings in a row, he's not in the running?...

    Won't happen.
     
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    Nothing either of them could do from now on will top MJ.

    Even if Kobe wins 2 more rings, it still wouldn't be enough. MJ won 6 rings as the teams best player, Kobe won 3 with Shaq as the best player, even the Finals MVP speaks for that. Kobe has 1 regular season MVP, MJ has 5.

    Lebron, he had all the potential but it would have been more plausible if he won 1 or 2 rings by now. He is only 25 but it is his 7th year in the NBA, he is about halfway his career. He has a lot of catching up. He might keep piling on the MVP, which is even more difficult now that he is in Miami, but he just wouldn't be the same because he left his team and joined up with Wade & Bosh. MJ stuck around and won, 6 times.

    Imagine if MJ didn't retire the first time though, that might have been 8 straight championships.
     
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    The Deacon Senior member

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    Bullshit! How many game winning shots did Jordan even have during his career? Also as great as Jordan was we never saw what would of happened against a truly great center like the dream. And Ewing and young Shaq don't count.

    Mike and Hakeem were never on the same court? I've fgot a photo of Doc (Erving) dunking on Hakeem I'm sure Mike muSt have done tHAT AND MORE.
     

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