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What are your thoughts on natural leather items (i.e. belts, wallets, etc.)?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by weatherguy, Feb 4, 2013.

  1. Hayward

    Hayward Senior member

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    You know I was ready to troll this thread and then you ruin it with an appeal to meaningful conversation. Thanks.

    In any case, the OP has posed a question which, in the context of this subforum's premise, is obtuse.

    The correct answer to his question, is, "Yes."
     
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  2. Master Squirrel

    Master Squirrel Senior member

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    I do miss Vox. I remember the end of the old days, but such are the changes that happen on internet boards.

    On the OP: I had to look up what "natural leather" is. Apparently you can get a car seat made with it. That is my entire depth of knowledge on the topic.
     
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  4. DocHolliday

    DocHolliday Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    ^This, I fear, neglects to consider that the oldsters don't post out of charity. Few folks are willing to play Obi Wan if the conversation isn't rewarding for them as well. At least not for very long.
     
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  5. Apollotrader

    Apollotrader Senior member

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    Fair enough, however taking the mentor role is a natural progression, and carries with it valuable rewards.
     
  6. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Carry the torch? Are you ignoring the fact that I've been here for six years and have nearly 17,000 posts? My participation here today is fraction of what it used to be.

    I've carried t quite a lot.
     
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  7. Quadcammer

    Quadcammer Senior member

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    really though?

    If you are regularly commissioning bespoke works, what really are you gaining from a forum? You have your own style and preferences, and your tailor will also have his own preferences. If you're happy with the result, great, if not, you decide for yourself what is wrong.

    If its a desire to fit into some mind numbing rules of what is "correct", then just post the list and be done with it.

    That said, WAYWRN is a disaster lately. Maybe one decent look out of five.
     
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    DocHolliday Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I found it rewarding for a long time. But as the years go by, you realize you're playing catcher in the rye. There are always the same questions to answer, always more noobs to mentor. Eventually it becomes less rewarding. And when you're subsequently told by a well-meaning poster that your reward for all that work is more work, and that you really should stop moaning that the work is less fun than it used to be ... well, it's exhausting.

    If you're here in five or ten years, with a disquieting number after "Posts:" I suspect you'll feel differently than you do now. Which isn't meant as criticism, just a competing perspective.
     
  9. DocHolliday

    DocHolliday Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    What's the point of spending all that time and effort acquiring the perfect handbag if you don't get to swing it?
     
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    Valid points, and Foo makes a good one also, however I don't think it is particularly useful for a very senior member of any organization publicly tell the rank and file that they suck.
     
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  11. Hayward

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    OP doesn't suck, but he's come here with the wrong frame of reference.
     
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    I think natural leather items are pretty cool- especially when they age. However
    I also feel like when you first get them- especially if they are not
    edge burnished- look a bit tacky
     
  13. usctrojans31

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    While I have not been there that long, I have been here more than many other members. My low post count signifies that I am more of a reader than active participant, so my observer role allows me to have a more objective role. Foo and Doc have touched on the big issue: reciprocity. Answering the same question repeatedly leads to diminishing returns and a lack of reciprocal enjoyment. This place was a forum of information, collectivism, and an overall desire for the learning of style. I agree that it has become much more brand oriented, which mirrors the entire fashion industry. While we can bemoan the change, the change is happening and will continue to happen as long as global behemoths swallow up companies left and right. When Brioni and Anthony Delos are being absorbed into the same companies as Gucci and Sephora, you know that a macro change is occurring.
     
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    Yes, reciprocity is a sort of a problem. But back when the "inner sanctum" was intact, we could at least entertain each other.

    Also, something important to note about the change toward a more brand-oriented environment: it's actually a regression.

    Styleforum pre-2006/2007 was much like it is today. Mostly RTW and high-end MTM. So, Brioni, Kiton, etc., were sort of holy grails. Then, a number of things happened. Ask Andy About Clothes, the former forum champ for classic menswear and bespoke clothing, collapsed under whip-handed moderation. Everyone migrated to Styleforum, and the forum here became far more bespoke-oriented. MTM became something of a folly to pursue. Between 2007 and 2011/2012, nobody talked about Brioni or Kiton because we all looked down on them. If you couldn't afford good bespoke, you aspired to it and made do with altered RTW in the mean time. Much discussion was about either bespoke orders or the bespoke process.

    Now, I pop in threads and it's 2006 all over again. Rome has fallen and we've entered the Dark Ages.
     
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    Well, we didn't all aspire to it. And I don't really think a lack of bespoke discussion is the main problem today. A symptom, yes, but not the primary ailment.

    The threads that had the most value then, at least to me, offered thoughtful discussion of how clothes are worn, not just made or bought. There's little of that now.
     
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    Quoted because I agree (especially on the latter point).

    Posting just to say that Foo returning has been great, as is Doc's presence. Both didn't post much when I first joined a few months ago.

    I don't know how long you guys will stick around, but the longer the better. Hopefully you'll bring the best out in other posters soon enough to make this a rewarding experience again.

    Foo, I sort of feel bad about the deluge of "good taste" fits in whnay's thread...none are offensive or in particularly poor taste, but most aren't interesting enough to warrant comment either.

    And as somebody mentioned, the WAYWRN thread has been absolute balls lately. Spoo and Charlies Wardrobe holding down the fort almost single handedly (with uprcrust and sb providing consistent backup). I'd love it if old timers recycled fit pics into that thread; I think it would encourage the very new members to lurk more before posting.
     
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    Branding and a hyperfocus on "look" are indeed a huge part of the problem. Brand marketing has vectored expectations to the point where people want to emulate what they see in a single image rather than the whole experience of a person. It has also created the expectation that you can pick out an ensemble of items and thus look like the model in a given photograph, which never happens. Which is why these "looks" look increasingly like costumes.


    Obtuse answer to obtuse question.

    What is the alternative to "natural" leather? Bonded leather? Vinyl?

    An item traditionally made of leather, such as a wallet, does not need to be made of leather, but if it is made from something other than leather, it had better not attempt to look like leather. That would be "tacky."

    Additionally, a good leather item will look good both when it is new as well when it has been well worn. It may look different, but not "tacky."

    Any leather item which has been made to look older artificially, such as through "antiquing", or, in the case of shoes, have an exaggerated curl out of the box so that they look like they've been worn continuously for a year without treeing - now that's really "tacky."
     
  18. tjc320

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    Wow, I just joined this forum and if you guys are wondering why it's gone "down the tubes" it's because idiots are posting non related crap in threads. If you think the quality of these forums are declining then don't be an obstacle, instead, be the solution and contribute quality posts.

    Is there not a moderator to move this non-related crap to a new thread?

    *now back to why I was reading this thread*

    I'm a big fan of natural leather products. They will last a long time and thus are good for my (leather) wallet. While leather products may cost more upfront I think it's longevity will help save money. It also forces me to buy more "timeless" clothing/accesories since I'll be spending more and it will last longer I want to make sure that it isn't going to fall out of style. So I would disagree with the statement that it's a hipster trend. Or call me hipster.
     
  19. Scabal Fanatic

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    Hi,

    Well, society has changed guys. The young people are not interested in complicated procedures, explanations... They want fast answers. That is why you see a lot of threads with "simple questions". The brands are everything in the eyes of most people buying today. The 2 questions asked are "which brand and how much was it?" The lowest price and the most known brands are the best answer. [​IMG]

    People believe that buying MTM is the holy grail of shopping today. Kiton and Brioni are in fact very big names (include Tom Ford in the pack for now because it is the brand of James Bond). Include Armani, Burberry, Paul Smith and others... The list is very long... [​IMG]

    Less and less people know something about real quality and "good brands" of fabrics or real tailors of the world... Sad thing... [​IMG]

    I consider myself a beginner in real quality and great construction but this website is helping me to learn (archives mostly).

    Thank you.
     
  20. Mitchacho

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    Scabal Fanatic, what about high end M2M? Not Indochino or some seedy chinese M2M shirt maker, but a place where you actually go in to a shop and a numerous amount of measurements are taken and faxed off and constructed with high end fabrics and hand finished...? And then when it's complete, you're brought in for a second fitting to have a tailor finish off anything that wasn't picked up initially.

    I believe that high end M2M fills some sort of a price gap between full bespoke and high end RTW clothing. And in DC, I can get my suit M2M for about 700-800, total as opposed to something more outrageous near Capitol Hill, I.E. Fields.

    It could just be the sartorial landscape of DC that makes me think that, though...
     

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