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What are your 10 favorite cities in the world?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by drizzt3117, Nov 24, 2004.

  1. Rbaalrajhi

    Rbaalrajhi Well-Known Member

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    (drizzt3117 @ Feb. 25 2005,01:52) true, I think paris and tokyo are pretty close in terms of food costs, Tokyo has more expensive rent though.
    Tokyo is much more expensive for food. how much is 1 kg of apple? 1 kg of tomatoes? 1 yahourt? 1 gruyere? 1.5 l of Evian? 1 kg of bananas? 1 kg of ham?
    How much cost the shwarma or falafel in London compare to Jeddah? how much cost the sushi and tepanyaki in paris compar to tokyo? what are you talking.
     
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    (ernest @ Feb. 24 2005,16:56)
    true, I think paris and tokyo are pretty close in terms of food costs, Tokyo has more expensive rent though.
    Tokyo is much more expensive for food. how much is 1 kg of apple? 1 kg of tomatoes? 1 yahourt? 1 gruyere? 1.5 l of Evian? 1 kg of bananas? 1 kg of ham?
    Japanese do not eat these food for standard, only frencher do. Evian is the french water, why not can buy the japanese water?
    how much is japanese water? yes, they only eat misso soup and fish. But we were talking about "best cities for food". So if you only eat misso & sushi I don't think you can say you eat well. Are your sure that only French eat vegetables and fruits and ham??
     
  4. Tokyo Slim

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    Huh? Do you have any idea what you just said? Cause it makes no sense from here -

    If the dollar was as strong as the Euro at that moment - which is what I think you are trying to say, the Yen would be a: either trading higher due to its direct ties to the USD, or trading both at the current Euro rate - which is exactly what I quoted you earlier:500 Yen = 3.6 Euro. You said you paid 2.7 Euro for Oranges, so how is 0.9 Euro 70% higher than what you are paying for oranges now?
     
  5. Rbaalrajhi

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    (Rbaalrajhi @ Feb. 25 2005,01:58)
    true, I think paris and tokyo are pretty close in terms of food costs, Tokyo has more expensive rent though.
    Tokyo is much more expensive for food. how much is 1 kg of apple? 1 kg of tomatoes? 1 yahourt? 1 gruyere? 1.5 l of Evian? 1 kg of bananas? 1 kg of ham?

    Japanese do not eat these food for standard, only frencher do. Evian is the french water, why not can buy the japanese water?
    how much is japanese water? yes, they only eat misso soup and fish. But we were talking about "best cities for food". So if you only eat misso & sushi I don't think you can say you eat well.
    Nobu = one of best resaturant in london = japanese Uma = also one of best in london = also japanese ok french food is better, but japan food also good, it depnd on the tastes of person, i like it the lamb in shwarma
     
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    If my memory serves me correctly, Nobu is American in genesis. IMMSMC x2 the Paris Nobu closed down for lack of interest. Having eaten there in my search for the best chefs in the world I can say the atmosphere left something to be desired, perhaps more suggestive broom closets. But in Japan you can have the best of all cuisines, in the same room, every week. ALLEZ CUISINE....
     
  7. ernest

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    If you take account of the strong euros it is more than 70% more.
    Huh? Do you have any idea what you just said? Cause it makes no sense from here - If the dollar was as strong as the Euro at that moment - which is what I think you are trying to say, the Yen would be a: either trading higher due to its direct ties to the USD, or trading both at the current Euro rate - which is exactly what I quoted you earlier:500 Yen = Â 3.6 Euro. You said you paid 2.7 Euro for Oranges, so how is 0.9 Euro 70% higher than what you are paying for oranges now?
    Situation now = with the strong euro (weak $ and yen) 0.9/2.7 = 33% Japanese oranges are 33% moreexpensive than French ones Situation when 1$ = 1 euro 500 yen = 5 euros 5/2.7 = +85% Japanese oranges are 85% more expensive than French.
     
  8. Tokyo Slim

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    Ernest... you are rapidly digging yourself a hole of nonsense that I fear you may never escape from. You are entitled to your opinion that Tokyo is not one of the ten best cities, or whatever you have twisted this into. I would greatly appreciate it though if you would not continue to insist on the fact that Japanese people "only eat misso soup and fish " I'm pretty sure I just spent an entire day telling you that among the excellent local cuisines, they have an infinite variety of other things. Japanese people eat Duck, Pork, Beef, Noodles, Fruits, Vegetables, Pastries, and many other things.

    Your view of "Good Food " seems only to extend to the borders of your own experience. I'd encourage you to be less elitist and more open minded to food other than French cuisine - again, which is available in abundance in Tokyo for very reasonable prices if you so desire.
     
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    Fortunately for the rest of us, currency exchange only works that way in your imagination.

    When one us dollar and one euro are the same VALUE, the yen's trade will change... so insead of 105 yen to the dollar like it is today, it would probably be trading closer to 139 yen to the dollar like it does to the Euro today. Unless the EU collapses and the Euro devalues significantly, in which case the cost of Oranges in Tokyo will not be of much concern to you.
     
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    Situation when 1$ = 1 euro 500 yen = 5 euros
    Fortunately for the rest of us, currency exchange only works that way in your imagination. When one us dollar and one euro are the same VALUE, the yen is also VALUED higher... it's tied roughly to the dollar so insead of 105 yen to the dollar like it is today, it would probably be trading closer to 139 yen to the dollar like it does to the Euro today. Unless the EU collapses and the Euro devalues significantly, in which case the cost of Oranges in Tokyo will not be of much concern to you.
    Are you stupid? 4.75 $ (same price if the rate of yen/$ remain the same) = would be 4.75 EUROS.............. if you prefer, forget $. If the Euros was not so high, 500 yen would be more than 3.7 euros. Now it is 140 yen for 1 euros 500 yen = 3.53 euros When it was 115 yen for 1 euros (2 years ago when 1euro =1$) 500 yen = 4.35 4.35/2.7 = +61% 2 years ago the price of oranges were 60% more in Tokyo than in Paris
     
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    Ok, I sort of understand what you are saying, it was written in a very confusing manner with the dollar/euro/yen triangle.

    Yes, two years ago the yen was stronger and the Euro weaker. Tokyo was much more expensive for you. I'll tell you though, that the difference between what I normally pay for food in the U.S. and what I pay for food in Tokyo is negligable, there is just much more variety in Tokyo due to the proportionately larger number of restaraunts and groceries, and etc.
     
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    When I say stronger $  = against EURO

    I don't see why you use yen/$ and $/ euros...

    Forget the  $ (useless for orange.) as yen is convertible with euros.

    Just look at euro/yen exchange rate.

    5 years ago, the euros was at 95 yen.
    500 yen = 5.28 euros....

    Prices is Japan looks (for european) lower as they used to be because of the strong EUROS against YEN.

    They are 30% more now but used to be 80% more with a weaker EUROS against YEN (and usually euros weaker against $ in the same time)
     
  13. Tokyo Slim

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    You will run into that anywhere you go with an exchange rate though Ernest. The world uses different currencies with different values. And at all times they fluctuate and change. That should have nothing to do with a cities good or bad food.

    As you said, the Dollar was stronger against the Euro at that time too - so during that time, in your opinion was NYC any LESS of a good city for food?

    Just be glad the EU is doing well and the dollar and yen are slumping... NOW IS THE TIME TO GO TO JAPAN.
     
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    Even NOW Japan is expensive as oranges are still 33% more than in Paris.

    Have you understood that you don't need to use $ in this case?

    And that anyway it doesn't change anything as $ + yen are going in the same way agaisnt euros?

    YES, NYC would be a less good city for food as everything would be very EXEPENSIVE and for the same money I could eat best in EUROPE then.

    If 1 euros = 10$, NYC would be the best place for food in the world for an european tourist.

    You can find good food in all big cities as everybody imports the same food.

    It is only a matter of price. And Tokyo (as it imports more of its food than France or US) is very expensive for americans and expensive for europeans.

    A city where you need to spend the double for the same apple is not a good city for food IMO.
     
  15. drizzt3117

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    So by that standard, we would all be going to Buenos Aires or places where the currency is really weak... that is not a very good argument ernest.
     
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    Being just cheap is obviously not enough to say a city is good for food. You must take in account the choice. Choice remaining the same, when the prices are going down, the city becomes more interesting for food than before.

    A city with good choice but at very expensive prices can not be told a good city for food as you can not eat anything.

    For the same price you will eat better in 20 other cities.
     
  17. Tokyo Slim

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    It seems like you have life all figured out E. My Summary of events so far: It seems that we've only come to two conclusions - That Tokyo is still probably my number one city, for all the reasons I've previously named. (which seem reasonable, at least to me) And Its not even on Ernest's list, none of the things I like about the city are even being taken into account by Ernest, due to the fact that he believes Paris (and probably himself) to be superior. I don't really blame him, seeing as he's never been to Tokyo, and is working solely off second-hand experience. I have determined that I would probably think Paris is boring for much the same reasons, though I hear the Metro is very nice. Oh and Oranges are CURRENTLY 30% more expensive in Tokyo than in Paris, sometimes going up to 80% more, and possibly being less, though we have no confirmed sightings of a 2kg bag of oranges being any less than 500 yen. And this is subjective information ONLY for people using the Euro, seeing as the American dollar is inferior and practically useless. Although I've never had to pay 80% more for oranges in Tokyo than I do in the states, which to me seems to be a benefit, but to Ernest is irrelevant. I also maintain that Japanese oranges are at least 33% better tasting than French oranges - and thus worth the extra money, but again - its all subjective. [​IMG]
     
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    (drizzt3117 @ Feb. 25 2005,03:40) So by that standard, we would all be going to Buenos Aires or places where the currency is really weak... that is not a very good argument ernest.
    Being just cheap is obviously not enough to say a city is good for food. You must take in account the choice. Choice remaining the same, when the prices are going down, the city becomes more interesting for food than before. A city with good choice  but at very expensive prices  can not be told a good city for food as you can not eat anything. For the same price you will eat better in 20 other cities.
    Paris is not very cheap either Ernest... Don't get me wrong, I love Paris and I visited some nice restaurants there. But i'd think i'd get an excellent meal in Tokyo for the same price. I think Tokyo is like any other big city, you can find pretty much every cuisine you desire. Isn't it like that in Paris too Ernest? If you feel like eating Japanese you have some excellent restaurants in Paris, heck, if you're feeling like Tibettan or Lebanese cuisine you could find some good restaurants. Same in NY, Rome, Tokyo, London and even Amsterdam.
     
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    This thread is almost unbearable to read.  Ernest, I really think it would do you good to go live abroad for a while.
     
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    You'd be lucky if you were to find "French" oranges. It's a rarity. Unless you have your own garden in the south of France, your choices are pretty much: Spanish oranges vs Moroccan oranges Oh, no, what have I started now?. [​IMG]
     

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