Rye, I was going to say that I think there's a little too much xtreme rippage on those 517s, but then I realized it's probably real-deal wear, so nice. Most ripped jeans look dreadful, and the majority here probably think that these fall into the whackity whack category. They were $6 bucks and for me they work out fine when I feel like being a scruffy shitester!. +1 on Cheaps Jordan's. I love the odd touch they bring to his outfit. I'm a big fan of the V's and that silver tongue is so fucking obnoxious you just have to wear them with skinny jeans. Get Smart makes me want to get sleeved, but after 2 weeks of getting tattooed I'd be bored with my choice and run screaming for the nearest laser center.