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What are the greatest menswear brands of all time?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by YoungAmerican, Sep 18, 2012.

  1. rach2jlc

    rach2jlc Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Wow, good choice; amazing nobody in this thread yet came up with this one. :embar:
     
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  2. in stitches

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    :crackup:
     
  3. chogall

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    hugo boss.
     
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    rach2jlc Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Don't just clog the thread with stupid crap. If you can't add to the discussion, just lurk. You're not being serious, so just knock it off. This has been one of the better threads and discussions we've had in a long time, so let's keep focused.
     
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    Okay. Then I really do not know any niche fashion subcultural 'brands'/'artists' that have questionable impact on menswear, aside from the ones already mentioned.
     
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    he's saying that all those brands have already been mentioned, and yes, they're on the list.
     
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    whatever his intentions were (tho the RL joke was a good one), someone earlier (i think klobber) did mention hugo boss. i know HB is far from a sty fo darling, but from the aspects of a brand that may have made important lasting changes on menswear, are they to be considered?

    my knee-jerk reaction is no, but i do not know a whole lot about their history, and what they have brought to the table. except that all the HB shirts i have owned, ripped in the elbow within a years time.
     
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    wait, we have a "definitive" list? do you mean foks orignal one?
     
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    What was mentioned before about HB was that it was what brought fused suits into the mainstream.

    I don't really recognize that as a 'great' thing
     
  11. hendrix

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    nah, RL is on everyone's list, including Fuuma.
     
  12. rach2jlc

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    Yes, but let's be serious: of 320 posts in this thread, roughly 230 of them mention RL directly or indirectly. Next, Hugo Boss was mentioned as well. Third, on SF, you don't mention Kenneth Cole unless you are trolling or trying to be cute, just like Men's Wearhouse isn't on the list. Finally, you don't put them all in separate posts. While I try to be "welcoming" as possible, on the other hand if you didn't bother to read ANY of the previous posts, then it's safe to assume coming in at post 321 with a stream of 2-word posts is hardly a good idea.

    If he serious thinks KC should be on the list, I'm all for reading it. But, some of us have put in too much time/effort while we should be working that it's unfair just to have some random folk coming in with fly-bys probably meant to derail or cause arguments.

    KC has never been a serious designer; he started off with shoes to make $$$ by posting a caravan or something on the street because a license was expensive. A bunch of people bought them and he went from there. He was never innovative in shoemaking, nor in men's design, except perhaps for some quick trends for the lower market. If we're going with "mass market" brands, then Gap or any of the other dozen listed should be there sooner.
     
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    rach, you said HB was mentioned, and it was. i dont recall hearing your opinion it. care to share/elaborate?
     
  14. rach2jlc

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    Unfortunately, I don't really know enough about HB to comment. I've had a few pieces here and there, but nothing that was picked up because I knew or wanted the style; I think I had a green polo shirt because I liked green, and one suit picked up in college that was a decent Columbo fabric, that I never wore.

    While on the one hand it helped to define the 80's/90's "boxy" silhouette, on the other hand I can't say whether it was the originator of that style or if they simply copied trends from Mugler, ferre, or Helmut Lang, who were (in the case of the former two) doing big, structured, and boxy throughout the 80's, or the latter, who was doing a slimmer more "mod" boxy through the 1990's.

    They certainly made a lot of money and are very well known, but again I can't say why, how, or where. I honestly think of them as an expensive Men's Wearhouse, meaning mass market but for a client who is willing to spend more $$$ without really knowing much about suits. Unlike RL, I don't really get any "image" or aesthetic from HB, but again their history may be different than the post 1990's ideas I have of them.
     
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    Without taking reach, impact, and legacy into account, how else are you going to value a "brand"?

    I could understand if you are trying to argue that KC does not belong to #menswear, but excluding KC just because its 'mass market' or 'low quality' just doesn't make much sense. Or maybe we should exclude all "brands" mentioned in rap videos.
     
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    :nodding: indeed.

    the standard for non-serious posts has been raised:

     
  17. rach2jlc

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    We went through all of this pages and pages ago. Have you even bothered to read anything in the thread? What do you think we were doing on posts 2-320 before you came on, playing Canasta?
     
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    let's not make this CE though.

    peace, love and new socks for all (seriously the most enjoyable clothing purchase ever, don't even start talking about your $700 versace shirt, you know I'm right here).
     
  19. rach2jlc

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    I'm being facetious, of course, but I can sniff through "didn't do his homework" pretty quick. I just wish that before posting people would read the contributions and hard work of their fellow posters. Otherwise, it's selfish and pointless and the thread DOES turn into a CE echo chamber. We (including you!) went through a few dozen really excellent discussions about what criteria to include, which addressed all of the concerns he mentioned. Why is it our responsibility to back through them and re-hash points that were already made?

    And as Spoo can tell you, honey, $700 for Versace is SMALL TIMER. Unless you were in the silk shirts that were $1200 in 1989 dollars, you weren't in nuthin' (haha)

    Anyway, there may be a few latecoming stragglers with some good additions from here, but I think we've got a pretty good list, some good explanation why they should be on the list... at least enough for the OP to write up a pretty good article. I, personally, have learned a lot about a lot of makers/brands I didn't really appreciate before (Brioni or Barbera, for example). Thanks for the good read and fun, fellas.
     
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  20. hendrix

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    I think CP company could be higher up Fok's list. Pretty influential in the way most people dress. Isn't the graphic tshirt attributable to Osti?

    I also hypothesise that his clothing legitimised sportswear as an acceptable choice for casualwear.
     
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