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What are appropriate occasions for wearing morning dress?

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Define morning dress.
 

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Originally Posted by MetroStyles
Define morning dress.
Stroller with striped trousers and grey waistcoat.
 

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Originally Posted by merkur
What are appropriate occasions for wearing morning dress?
Weddings?
Funerals?
Graduation ceremonies?
Big racing events eg Royal Ascot?
Church?
Presidential inaugurations?
US Supreme Court appearances?


Any event that calls for "Formal" and ends before 6pm, or sundown. If it does end after sundown, bring a tux as well.



Daytime weddings, yes.

Wearing it to a funeral might draw attention away from the deceased, so no; unless there are a few people in morning dress (mourning dress).

Graduation, racing, church, inaugurations, yes.

Supreme court appearances
 

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Originally Posted by Zenny
Stroller with striped trousers and grey waistcoat.

I really didn't feel like getting in on this for some reason, as I thought Sator would likely be to the rescue, but I might as well correct this piece of misinformation.

True morning dress involves a peaked lapel SB cutaway coat. The morning cutaway coat is more oblique in its sweep than a evening tail-coat (i.e., white tie). Coats are generally oxford grey, charcoal, or black. Waistcoats are generally some sort of double-breasted (though SB seems to be acceptable as well) in dove grey, buff, or ecru (or, for funereal: matching the coat material).

Trousers (not matching to the coat) are striped formal in blacks and greys. I believe proper morning dress calls for a winged collar and ascot. Also, formal gloves, a top hat, and a walking stick are all in order.

I may catch hell on here for wearing a stroller from time to time, but even I just cannot see a proper venue, other than one where it is specifically mandated, where morning dress would be appropriate.
 

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Originally Posted by merkur
For what occasions would it be appropriate to mandate its wearing?

IMO nowaday ocaasions for wearing a morning dress are hard to find. Perhaps there are some in the UK (because of tradition in the monarchy). But here in Stuttgart I have not seen a morning suit in my hole live!
 

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Originally Posted by lordofpi
I really didn't feel like getting in on this for some reason, as I thought Sator would likely be to the rescue, but I might as well correct this piece of misinformation.

True morning dress involves a peaked lapel SB cutaway coat. The morning cutaway coat is more oblique in its sweep than a evening tail-coat (i.e., white tie). Coats are generally oxford grey, charcoal, or black. Waistcoats are generally some sort of double-breasted (though SB seems to be acceptable as well) in dove grey, buff, or ecru (or, for funereal: matching the coat material).

Trousers (not matching to the coat) are striped formal in blacks and greys. I believe proper morning dress calls for a winged collar and ascot. Also, formal gloves, a top hat, and a walking stick are all in order.

I may catch hell on here for wearing a stroller from time to time, but even I just cannot see a proper venue, other than one where it is specifically mandated, where morning dress would be appropriate.


A quick google search later, and I think I got confused, I meant a cutaway coat. I think someone called it a stroller a while back and that definition has been stuck in my head. Well I learned something new today.

http://www.madisonavenuenyc.com/ASK/formal01.html
 

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If you look at English publications from the 1950's, you find that a "black jacket and striped trousers" were considered informal dress - along with lounge suits - and NOT morning dress. Only when a morning coat was worn was it considered morning dress. The substitution of a lounge jacket for a morning coat was classified as "informal dress" in the same way that the substitution of a dinner jacket for a dress coat in the evening was also regarded as "informal dinner dress". I really don't know where this "semi-formal" category came from.

"Stroller" and "cutaway" are both strictly American English. I have also seen the term "director's coat" in American English in place of "stroller". It may be an American thing to regard such attire as some sort of abbreviated morning dress.



I was walking in the park one weekend recently and was pleased to see a wedding with the bridegroom in morning dress.
 

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Sator, I know you have occasionally mentioned the frock coat. I do not know if you own one or not, but despite it being more formal, I could see even it looking more normal than a morning coat. Under what occasions would you, personally, wear either of these forms of a attire?

By the way, I agree about the stroller. I wear it to work now and again with no problem of people confusing it for uber-formal dayware.
 

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The occasions a frock coat could be worn today are to the races or for a wedding, if you wanted to be different. If I wore one to a matinee concert at the Opera House, most people would think it was an overcoat. Actually, there is evidence that the frock coat originated as a type of overcoat called the surtout.

I find the American term "stroller" to be increasingly bizarre. It sounds like some sort of baby pram. It's just a "jacket with striped trousers", pure and simple. I think the English have it right there.
 

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In the morning when you plane to spend the day wearing sheer nylon stocking, it is best to have a dress
 

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