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Wedding Attire

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by bslo, May 8, 2005.

  1. bslo

    bslo Senior member

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    Hi guys,

    I am attending a wedding next weekend in Manhattan (Cosmopolitan Club). The invitation indicates that the dress code is "black tie welcome." Obviously the invitation means to encourage black tie, but I suspect that not everyone will be wearing black tie.

    Unfortunately, I own a tuxedo, but I do not like it very much. It doesn't fit that well, and I don't like how it looks on me. I am considering two other options:

    1) Very dark blue (not quite midnight blue) sb, peak lapel suit with a matching vest. I don't think this would be too much of a step down from black tie.

    2) Medium gray sb, notch lapel (3 roll 2) suit with a matching vest. The fabric has a barely noticeable herringbone weave.

    I want to wear option 2 because the suit was just made for me, I really like it, and I don't know when I'll have a change to wear the vest again. On the other hand, I would like some opinions on whether it might not be formal enough for this occasion. Please advise.
     
  2. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    It's formal enough. You'll look fine. Just don't wear a black bowtie. Wear a long black and white or silver tie.
     
  3. bslo

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    Thanks Manton. I was thinking of wearing a white spread collar shirt with cufflinks (single cuff shirt not double) and a black grenadine tie with option 2. Sound good?
     
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    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Yeah, it's fine. I think the solid black tie is a little funereal. I would go with something brighter. But certainly you're not going to embarrass yourself. And perhaps it is the right choice given that so many people will be in black tie.
     
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    Why don't you have you tuxedo altered? Is your dislike of it due to the poor fit?
     
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    bslo Senior member

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    Very good question Alchimiste. I suppose I should have explained why the tuxedo clearly is not an option earlier, but was too embarrassed. I purchased the tuxedo several years ago (right after graduate school) when I did not know enough about clothes to realize that a two-button, notch-lapel tuxedo with a single vent is not a good look. Yuck. I don't plan on ever wearing the tuxedo again.

    I do need a new one, but I am not planning on getting one before next weekend.

    Manton, I like the black grenadine tie enough, but my main motivation for choosing it was because I was concerned that option 2 was near the line of not being formal enough, and I thought the black tie might help in that respect. Would it be safe to consider a different tie?
     
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    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    The black tie is perfectly safe. If you have a silver grenadine, or a black and white woven (Macclesfield), consider one of those. They are not informal by any stretch.
     
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    I don't know how much you paid for the "tuxedo". The lapels could be modified but this may cost too much and buying a new one may be a better choice (closing the vent should be no big deal).
     
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    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    You cannot alter notched lapels into peaked lapels.  That would require recutting and replacing the entire front of the coat.

    Although I suppose you could try to take the facings off, attach a little triangular piece above the gorge line, and then reattach recut, peaked facings. I have no idea how well that would work. I doubt it's worth it.
     
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    Altering notch lapels to peak on a suit may be troublesome due to the lack of material (you're not likely to find the same material). But for a DJ the facing is made of a different material, you can take it off and replace it or cover it. I agree that it may not be worth it. Hence my question about the value of the DJ.

    Mathieu
     
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    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    The problem is that the upward pointing corner of the peaked lapel is part of the same piece of cloth as the entire front of the coat, which runs from the lapel edge to the side seams, from the shoulder seam to the bottom edge. On each side. Basically, you would have to throw away all that cloth (and the canvas). Then recut it all, remake and re-pad the canvas, re-cut the pockets, and reattach the back, sleeves and collar. I can't imagine that would cost less than buying a new coat. Even assuming you could find the cloth.
     
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    You couldn't just graft the upward pointing corners onto the notched lapel, maybe add some sort of a stay behind them so they didn't flop around indepenedently, and then reface the grosgrain?
     
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    Well, as I said, you could try that. Perhaps it's been tried and found to work. I have my doubts. I suspect that the point would either be too weak and floppy (if merely sewn on), or else too stiff (if some heavy horsehair reinforcement were used). But I don't really know. Certainly, no one makes a peaked coat from scratch like that.
     

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