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Wearing a navy suit jacket as a blazer?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Leo Jay, Oct 18, 2004.

  1. drizzt3117

    drizzt3117 Senior member

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    I don't think people think it's a blazer, as they are not, they just want to know if it is appropriate, and that really depends on the jacket, and it should be obvious from wearing it (at home) whether the look works or not.
     
  2. Giona Granata

    Giona Granata Senior member

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    No, the question was "Wearing a navy suit jacket as a blazer?". That's not appropriate, in my opinion.

    The other question "Wearing a suit jacket as ... something else?". And my answer is: it is usually not appropriate, due to different nature of the fabrics.
     
  3. drizzt3117

    drizzt3117 Senior member

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    He asks "is it appropriate to wear a navy jacket as if it were a blazer?" meaning with dark wool or flannel pants, and the answer it is depends on the material.

    I have a solid navy Oxxford jacket that is very heavy flannel material and may have originally been a suit coat, that looks and feels almost the same as one of my BB blazers. Besides the buttons, I think most people would have trouble distinguishing that it was part of a suit.

    Also, depending on what bottoms you are wearing, you can potentially get away with many patterned or lighter material jackets as well. I do this quite often with jeans or pinstriped charcoal wool slacks, even with windowpane and pinstriped jackets and I think it creates a nice contrasting look.
     
  4. truthhurts

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    If the jacket has flap pockets you'll easily get away with it.

    Thinking about it a bit more I guess you need a more relaxed style of jacket. E.g. an oxxford will probably work but a hugo boss won't.
     
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    (Keith T @ 19 Oct. 2004, 11:25) I would recommend not trying this with pinstripes. Â While you might try it with the right solid navy suit, I don't like the look of pinstriped suits "broken up". Â Not exactly to your point, but the suit in my closet that I most often "break up" is actually a glen plaid. Â I like to wear the pants with light-weight sweaters and turtlenecks, and I wear the jacket with solid colored wool slacks (usually charcoal) or even with jeans.
    Thanks. Â I'm not quite THAT clueless. Â Though I do have a picture of myself in my dorm room in the mid 80's wearing a navy pinstripe suit jacket, white t-shirt, blue jeans and a fedora. And I looked GOOD, dammit. Â [​IMG]
    Look at the jeans-pinstripe deal here: Good xcrist. http://www.markshale.com/online_cat_...asp?cat_page=4
     
  6. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    And this is why this look should be left up experts  [​IMG]  Check out the displays a few season back at Fred Segal Ron Herman, and you'd have see this look, done right. Seriously, this can look good, but if you're a store that lists jeans as a "trend", chances are you'll end up recommending that your customers walk out of the store looking like a wang.  Problems with the pictured outfit: 1) The turtleneck.  Right now, the jeans are the only really "casual" (as in streetwear casual) part of the outfit.  I'm sure that this is a fine gauge turtleneck, blah, blah, blah, but a tee, a hoody, or a partially buttoned, layered work-style shirt would work a lot better here.  The point is to mix casual and formal, not to substitute jeans for dress pants.  That is just what happened when I forgot it was non-uniform day during high school, and that was just depressing. 2) The jacket is too boxy, especially around the shoulders, to be paired with slim cut jeans.  The look is best on lanky hipster types anyway, and this guy is not (although I'm sure that the typical Mark Shale customer has a good 30 lbs on this dude).  He needs a slim cut blazer, and preferably in a more textured material, like flannel or treated cotton.  The first part is essential.  Rogan has a good one, as does Paper Denim.  Both those jackets were made to be worn casually, and specifically with jeans.)  The Hugo Boss taken out of context just doesn't work.  A Dolce and Gabbana would be a world better if you want to go the designer route.  I have a Ted Baker sample I picked up for $30 that would work better.  You could also go with the vintage, short, western blazer, but I digress.  If you insist on the boxier jacket (not all guys are comfortable or look good in fitted jackets - if your BMI is above normal for whatever reason, a really fitted jacket will either make you look sad, or gay-club ready (crap outfits are not exclusive to straight men, and the super buff guy doing this look, imho, is more often a Chelsea boy than anything else.) then go with a jean that doesn't hug as tightly to your thighs.  Those Paper Denim GTOs should be switched off for some LTDs.  3) The shoes.  Oh why, oh why, is this guy being forced to wear those anklet booties, and in a dark color at that.  The combination of the dark color and the slim fit make him look like he has very small feet and is perhaps going to a musical.  You need something more noticieabl on your feet to balance it out.  Either you need lighter colors or something chunkier.  I say, go with both if possible.  I would personally go with a not too chunky, not too slim, sneaker like the Adidas Samoa or Italia.  If he is going to an "upscale" clue needs a pair of shitkickers, orat least a chunkier boot.  I have a pair of pretty substantial looking Costume National boots with an inch heel in a medium brown color that work.  I think that a cracked leather boot or shoe in an even lighter color might even be better.  Some chukkas, provided that they are light colored and have either a crepe or rubber sole, or at least a stacked heel and not too slim profile, would work as well.
     
  7. drizzt3117

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    I'd agree about the turtleneck and the shoes, I'll usually do a similar look with something a bit more casual like a graphic T or a polo and perhaps some puma or prada shoes, and GTO or LTDs or Sevens.
     
  8. Leo Jay

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    Oh good lord. Maybe there exists someone in the universe who can make those types of pre-spot-faded jeans work. But I doubt it. Ditto flared jeans.
     
  9. LA Guy

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    The jeans are okay. They look like Paper Denim GTO 3-years to me. One of my favorite cuts. Not my favorite wash. They do look pretty crap on that guy though. The problem are the proportions of the rest of his clothing. Also, the jeans are just a little too tight and worn a little too high. For those jeans, you can't be that guy. Worn correctly, the jeans should be a little looser and hang down a little lower on the hips (nearly at the widest part), and with definitely something considerably more casual - maybe a long sleeve tee by development and a hoodie/blazer/sweatshirt (that's one garment by the way - quite innovative, and very cool looking - again on the right guy. I don't think that Leojay could or would want to pull this one off) from this fall's Yoko Devereaux collection. I imagine that the buyers at Mark Shale believe that Yoko Devereaux is probably the remarried widow of the late John Lennon.
     
  10. Arwen

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    I am against it.
     
  11. quill

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    Like in any field, there will always be purists and those who don't mind trying something different.

    Even among Blazer purists, there is discrepancy about what constitutes a "real" Blazer. The 1837 story of the HMS Blazer in England is now legendary,and yet there's some evidence to suggest that the first Blazers were in fact red and white striped. There are references to cricket origins as well.

    And to some, Blazers can not be Blazers if they are not solid navy or black in color (i.e., tan blazers) ...or with the requisite buttons.

    So, my advice is to listen to the learned opinions herein, but not worry about commiting any cardinal sins. Someone is ALWAYS going to tell you you're wrong one way or the other, based on their vantage point. And you can't please everybody.
     
  12. drizzt3117

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    I don't personally see an issue with those jeans and that pinstripe blazer (suit jacket) as long as the rest of the outfit is set up correctly, everyone's taste is different though.
     
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    LA Guy, I want to start a regular column where someone posts a picture and you tear apart every single detail in the entire outfit. That was very entertaining, and actually informative. And I'm sure you enjoy it. [​IMG]
     
  14. LA Guy

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    Enjoy it? No, I do it because I believe it's my civic duty to make an America a large part of the economy is not spent on making American men look, well, bad. I believe that that same money can be used to make American men everywhere, look good. Oh, who am I kidding? It would be fun. I would be honored. I love attention. It would be interesting. We could do one photo a day (excluding weekends), and maybe AHarris and I (the 1K+ posters) could do a sort of crossfire thing (btw, did anyone see Jon Stewart make that bowtie wearing moron on Crossfire look like an idiot on his own show?) but more amicable. We could HOF it. It could be called something pseudo-militaristic or pseudo-religious, depending on how you read it, like "In His Sight", or, something more catty like: "Uh uh. Do not leave the house wearing that".
     
  15. LA Guy

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    BTW, checked out that picture again. Definitely wearing the jeans too high. I swear that we nearly see something that need not be shown in public.
     
  16. jerseyguy

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    Re: Mark Shale --

    You know you shouldn't be ordering PDCs from there when you have to choose either "cuff" or "plain bottom" at checkout.
     
  17. Mike C.

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    The problem with wearing a suit jacket as a sportcoat is that when most guys try to do this they wear a searle jacket. Anything flannel, doeskin, tweed, even some heavier cottons are acceptable. It still remains that 90% of suit coats when worn as a blazer look like the bottom half of the suit is missing.
     
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    I think the biggest problem by far is the turtleneck. Â I think turtlenecks look pretty ridiculous with just about anything, but especially with the combo this guy is trying to pull off. Â If he was wearing some kind of t-shirt instead (and a slimmer-cut jacket), he might actually look decent. I also got a chuckle out of the "How We See This Season" section of the Mark Shale web site. Â Is this 2004 or 2001? Â Mark Shale and similar retailers are great for the basics but they really shouldn't try to follow "trends." Also, not to get too far off topic, but LA Guy - I thought Stewart came off as an unbearably sanctimonious prick on Crossfire.
     
  19. Brian SD

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    Man, the guy in that ad looks like such a metrosexual.
     
  20. A Harris

    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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