WAYWRN - Peacock Edition

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by NORE, Aug 1, 2012.

  1. FlyingMonkey

    FlyingMonkey Senior member

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    What I mean is that you have to already know how to dress well according to conventional style rules. I know that any one of TTO, Tirailleur, Butler, Barims and a few others here, could, for example pull off perfect CBD if they chose to. I am not sure that many of those who do perfect CBD or other more conventional SF-approved male style here could do what these four do as well. I think it is unusual to find a genuine peacock in the MC idiom who has just evolved their look(s) without first at least understanding, if not mastering, what makes conventional male style work. Peacocking (or for that matter, the particular extremes of the spectrum in dandyism or foppishness) requires a justified self-confidence.

    FWIW, and no offence to Spoo here because he dresses far better then me, I think Spoo is actually only just getting to the full understanding and mastery level now. I don't think his previous more flashy style worked all that well, despite some nice components. However, if he was to give in to his peacock instincts again now or later, he would do it a whole lot better. Whether he would want to or not is another question - it would be entirely a matter of personal comfort and he seems pretty darn comfortable where he is (i.e. getting to the top of the game). Sometimes knowing that you could is more than enough.

    As for most of what else has been posted so far - see Moo's old fits here for a prime example - I would class it merely as garish or bad taste, not peacock, or it is actually too boring and unadventurous.
     
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  2. NORE

    NORE Senior member

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    The genuine peacock couldn't do CBD unless he went out and bought a bunch of stuff.
     
  3. FlyingMonkey

    FlyingMonkey Senior member

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    You miss my point.
     
  4. DerekS

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    great points here. fairly certain i agree 100%. rudimental knowledge in "rules' (fit, fabrics, patterns, etc) are a must before you can pull off flashier stuff. an ill fitting suit and a brightly colored tie are just that...an ill fitting suit and a bright tie.
     
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    NORE Senior member

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    Nah, I got your point [and agree]. Then I made one :)
     
  6. in stitches

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    i understand what you are saying, im just not sure i agree.

    truly correct CBD is also very nuanced, and very exacting. and very different than peacockery. i am sure that if the master peacocks endeavored to make CBD work, they could. but i would not assume that the crossover would be seamless from the get go, or that they have already mastered CBD.
     
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    I think part of the difference is, if you are a bit off on CBD, it just looks like you had to wear a suit and tie to work, and maybe you don't really care that much about how you look or don't have a natural inclination towards these sorts of things, but you are just wearing what the situation requires of you. And if the fit of your suit is a little bit off or your tie isn't totally correct or you're wearing a white shirt in a non-Manton-approved fashion, you still pretty much blend in with all the other guys in suits and it doesn't matter too much.

    If you're peacocking and things are a bit off, it's more of a disaster. You've set it up so that you're not blending in, and attention is being drawn to your clothes. And it's clear (despite what others might say about sprezz or whatever) that you've selected your items purposefully, because you think they look good. Lastly, you're operating within less of a traditional aesthetic, and the lack of "rules" means that there are more ways for you to go horribly wrong. So when you fail, you fail hard, and very publicly.
     
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    in the bold, i hope you meant "if" not "is" :(

    yeah i hear all that, and i dont disagree with any of it. all i was saying was, that just because someone is expert at peacockery, does not necessarily mean they would excel at CBD. and that perfection in one, in not necessarily any easier than perfection in the other.
     
  10. Tirailleur1

    Tirailleur1 Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Thanks for the compliments guys.
    is cultural peacocking permitted?


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    Yup, agreed with all of these.

     
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    It's revealing, I think, that the success rate of peacockery is significantly higher in this thread than in the regular WAYW. Many of the folks here, as FM and HF suggest, appear to have put their minds to it, forming a cohesive look rather than just throwing loud stuff together.
     
  14. MalfordOfLondon

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    *slightly* peacockish from the archive...

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    Thomas Senior member

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    Two things I have to admit.

    1) these looks aren't as repellant as I had feared. In fact,
    2) I'm wildly covetous of a few items and/or looks.
     

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