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Watches losing popularity

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Bradford, Jun 4, 2006.

  1. imageWIS

    imageWIS Senior member

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    I do not claim to be the most knowledgeable person with regards to horology, but I have had 7-8 years of experience as a collector and part-time journalist. I do have contact with the industry at a very different level from what you have had, but that doesn't matter. You believe very strongly in your own arguments and regard your experience "in the industry" as far superior to anyone else's. None of what I say will change that. All the best if you ever decide to return to the industry.

    I didn't say that: "You believe very strongly in your own arguments and regard your experience "in the industry" as far superior to anyone else's"). What I said was that for the most part people tend to randomly argue things in which they don't have a lot of experience, and at the same time making arguments, which to me don't make a lot of sense, based on what I wrote. Thus, my reaction is, in my eyes wholly reasonable.

    My approach to the industry has been hands on, but I listened to what people have written and said and I have accumulated and combined that knowledge, obviously your experience will vary. If you mention something I think is correct, I won't disagree, but if I think it is incorrect I will point it out, especially if you call me on it. The watch industry is full of innuendos and back door dealings, discerning what is hype, rumor, lies, and the truth is not always as clear cut as we would hope...alas, as long as you enjoy collecting watches, and enjoy what you own that's all that truly matters.

    Jon.
     
  2. SJX

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    You assume I don't have a lot of experience, and that yours is superior to mine. As a result, my arguments are flawed and based on poor knowledge/hearsay; I am asinine and illogical, according to you. That doesn't seem reasonable to me, but then again, I don't post here enough.

    What I said was that for the most part people tend to randomly argue things in which they don't have a lot of experience, and at the same time making arguments, which to me don't make a lot of sense, based on what I wrote.
     
  3. imageWIS

    imageWIS Senior member

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    You assume I don't have a lot of experience, and that yours is superior to mine. As a result, my arguments are flawed and based on poor knowledge/hearsay; I am asinine and illogical, according to you. That doesn't seem reasonable to me, but then again, I don't post here enough.

    If that's the way you want to combine it, then fine that is your choice, but you should understand that each one of those points was made regarding a specific post and a specific point, which you made. But, if that's how you want to take it, whatever. Again, your post shows this type of tactical logic, which keeps me from posting about watches, here or elsewhere. There is one board I still frequent regarding the subject because they haven't, yet succumbed as others have to a lesser level. I suggest you try actually reading my posts before responding to them.

    Watches may be losing popularity, but I guess watch debates aren't. [​IMG]

    Jon.
     
  4. edmorel

    edmorel Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    SJX is a well known watch aficionado.
    ImageWis you also know and love your watches.
    Can't we all just get along [​IMG]

    BTW, only Seiko has the capability to make every last component of their watches, including the lubricating oils. From a technical point of view, they are the only true "In-house" manufacturer.
     
  5. imageWIS

    imageWIS Senior member

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    Can't we all just get along [​IMG]

    BTW, only Seiko has the capability to make every last component of their watches, including the lubricating oils. From a technical point of view, they are the only true "In-house" manufacturer.


    Ed, you give the best advice [​IMG]

    Rolex has enough money to make everything in-house, if they wish. Also, they could design movements that use no oils (another long and drawn out debate I don't want to get into, some people like oil in movements, some don't, I don't have enough technical expertise to know which one is truly better).

    Jon.
     
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    Many of the aficionados in the fields that I collect can often become tedious, especially those who "know" people. God, save me from the dilettantes.
     
  7. imageWIS

    imageWIS Senior member

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    Sigh...back to the topic at hand:

    I personally find a watch more convenient, since I have to go into my pocket and bull out the cell phone to read the time, whereas the watch is right there on my wrist. Also, it's less intrusive and weighs quite a bit less, when looking at the subject merely as a timekeeping device.

    Jon.
     
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    FWIW, I haven't carried a watch since I was a teenager, and that was 10 years ago. Ever since working, I've had to carry work phones, PDAs, pagers, just about every class of electronic device there is at some point or another. I'm completely happy without a watch and have never felt the need for one. I figure that with the amount of time I'm at home (clocks), shopping (clocks), driving (car clock), talking on the phone (clock) or listening to music with a portable MP3 player (clock) it's pretty rare that I need to even inconvenience myself to know the time. And, not having a watch, I don't think I dwell too much on clockwatching either.

    Chalk me up also as one who doesn't understand why people would pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for technology that is hundreds of years old, when the time is displayed in just about every device we own.
     
  9. LabelKing

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    Chalk me up also as one who doesn't understand why people would pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for technology that is hundreds of years old, when the time is displayed in just about every device we own.
    Why do people spend $50,000 restoring a car that has 40+ year old technology, possibly no AC, and that's really only worth $10,000 at most?
     
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    Because they have a lot of disposable income?
     
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    Because they have a lot of disposable income?
    I've noticed people who do these types of restorations are never the ones with lots of disposable income. Schoolteachers, and middle-class types.
     
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    Chalk me up also as one who doesn't understand why people would pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for technology that is hundreds of years old, when the time is displayed in just about every device we own.

    One word: Elegance.

    The mechanical wristwatch is one of the most ingenious pieces of technology ever created. As long as you wind it once a day, it acts as the closest thing to a perpetual motion machine you are ever likely to encounter.

    My early 60s LeCoultre manual is more accurate than the clock on my mobile phone. What's up with that? My LeCoultre is also 14 kt. gold and weighs a negligible fraction of what my cell phone weighs. I paid $300 for my LeCoultre and put another $200 into an overhaul and a band. I paid over $200 for my cell phone and pay around $60 per month to be saddled with this odious bit of technological filth. Although my mobile is supposed to have full international functionality, it was mere dead weight on my business trip to the States last week. For reasons yet to be determined, it told me I was out of range. Meanwhile, I'm paying for international service. The US representative of the company could not be reached.

    My LeCoultre didn't notice it was half a world away from its usual haunts. I reset the time and away it ticked. keeping faithful time and keeping me on time to meetings throughout the week with a discreet glance at my wrist. It also receives a lot of compliments, which my cell phone never does.

    All in all, I find the cell phone to be a dismal solution to timekeeping. Again, it basically boils down to elegance.
     
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    How many bands is your phone? You probably don't have a tri-band or quad-band phone.

    I agree with your watch perceptions. The Omega my grandfather left me will outlast me AND my grandchildren; I can't say the same thing about my LG phone.

    Jon.
     
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    I agree with your watch perceptions. The Omega my grandfather left me will outlast me AND my grandchildren; I can't say the same thing about my LG phone.


    Exactly, fine timepieces are legacy. (Sorry if that sounds like a PP commercial). Historically, they were a gentleman's most personal possession. Upon passing, all else might be liquidated but the timepiece was handed down. In my mind, no such consideration of provenance would be made for something digital.
     
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    Exactly, fine timepieces are legacy. (Sorry if that sounds like a PP commercial). Historically, they were a gentleman's most personal possession. Upon passing, all else might be liquidated but the timepiece was handed down. In my mind, no such consideration of provenance would be made for something digital.
    Have you seen the Vertu cellphone marketing schemes? They claim it's an heirloom. Of course, making it out of materials like platinum, and such one would be compelled to think of it as an heirloom simply for future collateral purposes.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Have you seen the Vertu cellphone marketing schemes? They claim it's an heirloom. Of course, making it out of materials like platinum, and such one would be compelled to think of it as an heirloom simply for future collateral purposes. [​IMG]
    You think the technology in the Vertu will be used / useable in 20 years? Jon.
     
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    You think the technology in the Vertu will be used / useable in 20 years?

    Jon.


    It is already long in the tooth. Bejewelled tech is IMHO completely daft.
     
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    It is already long in the tooth. Bejewelled tech is IMHO completely daft.

    Bejeweled cell phones make as much sense to me as bejeweled teeth...

    Jon.
     
  19. skalogre

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    Bejeweled cell phones make as much sense to me as bejeweled teeth...

    Jon.


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