Cartier do not make his movement. Watches are nice but movement not "in house" and often very cheap from ETA (= 100 euros). Any comments on that people... What of the Pasha, which I own, I mean the movement does not look like it cost 100 Euros / 60 English... (perhaps that could be the mark up, but if that is the case, it surely is with all watch brands) Thank you so much Image WIS for clearing things up, now we just must tell the misinformed Ernest about his "Jeager" In addition Ernest, "Cartier do not make his movement." Is nonsensical English, for one thing your verb does not agree with the subject, and for another I did not know that Louis Cartier is still alive? (Sarcasm). Moreover, as I said before in a quote from the Cartier catalogue: "Cartier makes it a point of honor to create the majority of its movements" (so if you want to argue with that Ernest, you will need to take Cartier to court). Although WIS you did say so, so I would agree with you as you seem very knowledgeable about watches. Although I would not agree with the Rolex-Benz comparision. I would say that a Cartier, Audemars Piguet, and Bvlgari are like a Benz, Maserati, Jaguar or Porsche, quite well made but not outstanding, but forfill their function impeccably, and look good too. The Pateks, Rolexs and Vacherons of this world are like Audis, Sabbs and Volvos, don't look too good, but built to last with amazing standards of quality. All the watch fanatics out there, don't get me wrong, I agree that the Pateks and Vacherons are far better, but when you compare a five hundred pound nonsense watch (Jaeger) to a Cartier, which both looks by far one of the best watches, and has a reasonable quality movement, I think you are stupid, unless of course old man is your desired image (Jaeger) When it comes to JLC, they are in a way, the movements behind the other companies' cases. As I stated earlier, they have manufacture for every established haute-horology company, at one time or another. A lot of this was done during the first 50 years of the century past. Honestly, I cannot recall what movement was in the first Santos. It really does not matter if it used a Cartier movement or not. It was a simple Hour and minute manual wind watch. No seconds hand, the automatic winding system was yet to be invented / used (the way we know it now), and watches were really small which made their movements very finicky. To put this another way: when only 3 or 4 companies are producing wristwatches, the movement is not important, just having the watch is important enough. When it comes to time-only watches it's the finishing / redesigning of the movement that really counts. The movement manufacture only really comes into play when you are purchasing movements with complications. A watch that uses an integral dual-column wheel F. Piguet 11xx chronograph Rattrapante movement will work and run better than a watch equipped with a Valjoux 7750 modular heart-cam chronograph Rattrapante. Of course, there is a price difference in the two (at least ~$13,500, depending on the manufacture of the watch), which is actually a good thing. If you want a Rattrapante, but cannot shill the ~$30,000-$160,000 (the latter price is based on a rounded-off figure of the retail price for a PP ref. 5004 Perpetual Rattrapante Chronograph) usually charged for one, then IWC has an offering of a Rattrapante in stainless steel for about ~$10,000. If the IWC is still too much, Omega has a Rattrapante for even less than that. You can't blame corporations for wanting to make money, its what they do. Patek resale prices are high for many reasons, but partially because the factory bids on rare pieces so they can A) acquire them for the PP museum, thus getting into bidding wars with other people who want the same watch and B) so they can raise prices during an auction by bidding on items they have no intention on purchasing. Very clever of them, if I was Philippe Stern I would also make Antiquorum my bitch. BTW: A Rattrapante is a watch with chronograph movement that lets you time two separate objects with the same watch and to be able to view the difference in time between one object and the other. In English it is called a split-seconds mechanism. Jon.