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Was the Diesel Kratt the original premium repro?

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by DGP, Jun 17, 2007.

  1. DGP

    DGP Senior member

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    I've often longed for one or two of my old pairs of Diesel Kratts, which saddly got too big when I lost weight. When I recall the cut, however, it doesn't seem that far off of what people describe their repros fitting like. More modern for sure, but slightly higher rise, anti-fit seat, and slight taper to the leg. Anyone think that was the inspiration for the jean that, IMO, sort of started the whole premium denim trend?
     
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    I think Diesels were the first "premium" jean per se that was widely available in the US, but I'm not sure of the timing relative to the Japanese Levis repros. Evisu made some pretty authentic ones awhile back.
     
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    sbbbjm Senior member

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    man, i remember when diesels were $109 . . .
     
  5. Coulomb

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    man, i remember when diesels were $109 . . .

    yah and that was considered expensive. i think my very first pair of diesels were sparkers
     
  6. Cali

    Cali Senior member

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    I wouldn't consider them either premium or repro. SDA is generally considered the first Japanese repro manufacturer, started in 1979.
     
  7. ghulkhan

    ghulkhan Senior member

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    ^^^ You wouldnt consider diesel jeans premium jeans??

    Are you kidding me....

    There price point is that of premium jeans. There quality is really good too. I dont like their washes too much these days or there over the top branding but they are still consdered premium jeans
     
  8. Cali

    Cali Senior member

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    Premium price is not the same as premium quality. The Japanese repros are designed to be be better than the original Levis/Lees in the same style. If you pick up a pair of Sugar Cane or Samurai jeans you will notice the distinct difference from a pair of Diesels. Hardware, quality of cloth, dying technique, stitching. The whole philosophy behind them is entirely different. When was the last time you saw deadstock zippers on Diesels?
     
  9. Coulomb

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    Premium price is not the same as premium quality. The Japanese repros are designed to be be better than the original Levis/Lees in the same style. If you pick up a pair of Sugar Cane or Samurai jeans you will notice the distinct difference from a pair of Diesels. Hardware, quality of cloth, dying technique, stitching. The whole philosophy behind them is entirely different. When was the last time you saw deadstock zippers on Diesels?

    ...but these differences fail to rule out why diesels aren't considered a premium brand.
     
  10. velobran

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    Whether people like the overbranded Diesel jeans or not, the quality is there. I still have a pair that is five years old with only the coin pocket strip and a small D in the back and they are still in great shape. I have worn them at least 3 days a week for the last 4 years. And best of all, all distressing was done the right way, standard day to day use.
     
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    leftover_salmon Senior member

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    ^^^I agree. I have a pair that I've worn pretty hard over the last couple of years and they're still in great shape. Moreover, they fit me great and are very comfortable.
     
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    They use open-ended warp and weft threads, their indigo is not 100% pure, no chainstitch, cheap hardware, no hidden rivets, thin belt loops, and cheap washes. The value is terrible. They are a 'lifestyle' brand, plain and simple.
     
  13. LA Guy

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    They use open-ended warp and weft threads, their indigo is not 100% pure, no chainstitch, cheap hardware, no hidden rivets, thin belt loops, and cheap washes. The value is terrible. They are a 'lifestyle' brand, plain and simple.

    Diesel jeans are generally made from ringspun denim. The hardware is as good as many other "premium" brands, including Studio D'Artisan, which was mentioned here. There is chainstitching in their jeans, just not at the hem, which is really a minor, stylistic point, as are hidden rivets (as a sidenote, someone mentioned that their Lees had no hidden rivets - Lees have historically used bartacking instead of back rivets). The thickness of the beltloops has nothing to do with quality, it is a stylistic choice. Otherwise, by this measure, Nudies are probably the best quality jean of all.

    I am not sure what you mean by poor value. Diesel jeans are generally well constructed, and they are quite durable. In fact, I'd say that they are more durable than most of the jeans we talk about here and that are discussed at Superfuture.

    I am not a Diesel cutomer myself. However, these contentions that Diesel is just low grade junk are just untrue.
     
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    tljenkin Senior member

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    Well then I stand corrected.
     
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    Back in the late 90s/early 00s Diesel (and then the consevative wash Energie) were my first big denim purchases, before getting into the Levi strummer and matchstick models. The Diesel fanker was an excellent fitting jean, during those lost boot-cut years, and only got better with age. As a matter of fact, I was contemplating having my tailor taper them down to an 8" hem in order to make them more current, as I never wear them now. Of course, it goes without saying most of their washes were/are horrindous... but that fit in the seat, man the girls loved it. Anyway, rocking my first pair of "real" jeans now... A.P.C. new cures.
     
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    I odnt like Diesel jeans too much anymore. I have about 6-7 pairs though which are about all 7years old and they are really durable. They are well made as many of the premium brands listed here. They are premium jeans. Just because you dont like them doesnt mean they arent premium jeans.


    and news flash:
    Premium jeans arent just samarais or sugar canes that use dead stock material


    Most poeple who are in the premium denim market (customers and sales people) havnt even heard of those brands. Citizens, Seven for all mankind, chip and pepper, kasil, true religion, ag are all considered premium denim. I think diesels are much better made then all of those brands...
     
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    Although it's now a bit embarrassing, I must admit that I wore almost nothing but Diesels for a few years... a largely drunken few years. Diesel obviously doesn't get much respect here and, in terms of its cuts, washes, and the mentality to which it appeals, doesn't really deserve any. That said, I put my Diesels-- which were, primarily, two pairs of Kratts-- through hell for those few years, and they held up admirably.

    One of the few moments I am able to clearly recall involved climbing quite clumsily on top of a roof made of incredibly coarse concrete. The Kratts came through with one small tear that did not spread further for another few months (at which point I was fortunately able to leave my Diesel days behind me). And this is just one random instance that I actually happen to remember. Say what you will about their style, Diesel is absolutely not of bad quality.
     
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    can we see pics of these jeans?
     
  19. tljenkin

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    'mentality to which it appeals'

    Well said. That can be expanded to many things in life.
     
  20. hayzum

    hayzum Senior member

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    They are a 'lifestyle' brand, plain and simple.

    Take it you've not seen the 14oz selvage Japanese denim - $785

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