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Walt Mossberg Raves About the iPad

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Artisan Fan, Mar 31, 2010.

  1. HitMan009

    HitMan009 Senior member

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    Walt Mossberg is an old fart. WTF does he know about anything.....
     
  2. Mauby

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    He changed his name to iMossberg this morning.
     
  3. Don Carlos

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    there are few things in life as sweet as voiding your bladder after holding it for some ungodly time. I can hold off the bowel stuff, but the bladder, when you really, really have to go, you have to go.

    Absolutely. One of the few things that comes close to literally, and not just proverbially, being "better than sex" is a good piss after having to hold it for ages.
     
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    He is a fanboy. I don't begrudge him an opinion, but it's wrong.

    No.

    We are all entitled to our opinions, not our own facts. So, unless he stated an incorrect fact...
     
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    I think the ipad concept (a tablet that can do tons of stuff) is great, just not sure that Apple will be the ones to win the war.

    I've wanted something like an iPad for over 10 years.

    And I still really dislike touch screens.
     
  6. Tokyo Slim

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    No. We are all entitled to our opinions, not our own facts. So, unless he stated an incorrect fact...
    Yes, this is what I said. Mossberg's "facts" and assumptions, and therefore, the opinions based off them are frequently wrong. For example, when he compares upgrading XP/Win7 to upgrading Leopard/Snow Leopard. (a biased and apples to oranges comparison) Or his mathematically incorrect assertion of the hard drive space that he "saved" by doing so. When someone bases an opinion on incomplete, inaccurate, or biased information - one could (and I did) say that their opinion is wrong. He is frequently "wrong". This seems like pretty basic stuff. Note that I didn't begrudge him the right to believe whatever he wants.
     
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    I would really enjoy seeing foo vs. slim in an e-debate. nobody willing to give up an inch, each patiently and dutifully writing out long replies to each other. it would be like watching paint peel.
     
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    I would really enjoy seeing foo vs. slim in an e-debate.

    I'd rather see Foo vs. Moo in a cage match to the death.

    Foo's Asian so he's gotta know some kind of martial art by default which would make up for Moo's height and weight advantage.
     
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    Yes, this is what I said.
    Mossberg's "facts" and assumptions, and therefore, the opinions based off them are frequently wrong.

    For example, when he compares upgrading XP/Win7 to upgrading Leopard/Snow Leopard. (a biased and apples to oranges comparison) Or his mathematically incorrect assertion of the hard drive space that he "saved" by doing so.

    When someone bases an opinion on incomplete, inaccurate, or biased information - one could (and I did) say that their opinion is wrong.
    He is frequently "wrong".

    This seems like pretty basic stuff.
    Note that I didn't begrudge him the right to believe whatever he wants.


    I thought this thread was about his review of the iPad, and he did not misstate any facts in his review. If we are speaking of Mossberg's overall reviews of Mac vs. PC, that is an entirely different matter.
     
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    I thought this thread was about his review of the iPad, and he did not misstate any facts in his review. If we are speaking of Mossberg's overall reviews of Mac vs. PC, that is an entirely different matter.
    Welcome to the thread Jon. Nice to see you. I was discussing how Walt Mossberg is a fanboy, and he has an opinion, but his opinion is wrong. Would you like to start over? I didn't read the Walt Mossberg article, because he doesn't usually have much of a clue what he's talking about past the standard bullet points. (which pretty much everyone already knows by now) - and largely because I don't care. I just came in here wondering who gives a shit? Fran decided to wanted to argue with me, and I obliged. Edit: just went back and read it. Do non Apple people really wait with baited breath for the Mossberg review? He tells you in the first few paragraphs that you need to go out and hold it, use it, and decide for yourself whether or not it will "work" for you. [​IMG] That should have been the end of the review. Next he will tell you to remember to breathe, and to make sure you put pants on before you go stand in line to spend nine hundred bucks on a top of the line iPad.
     
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    I'd rather see Foo vs. Moo in a cage match to the death.

    Foo's Asian so he's gotta know some kind of martial art by default which would make up for Moo's height and weight advantage.


    Nah, that would be unsporting, like 50 midgets v. a lion but minus 49 of the midgets.
     
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    well, at least I got a sig outta this thread.
     
  13. Tokyo Slim

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    well, at least I got a sig outta this thread.

    I'm pretty sure I can take him.
     
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    lol@AF who loves Apple and also the WSJ

    http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/02/w...is-murdoch-in/

    iPad subscription costs more than the print or online one.

    Wonder what this indicates about their perception of the Apple fanbois.


    [​IMG] That is definitely an insane amount of money. $17 a month???
     
  16. Artisan Fan

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    Welcome to the thread Jon. Nice to see you. I was discussing how Walt Mossberg is a fanboy, and he has an opinion, but his opinion is wrong. Would you like to start over? I didn't read the Walt Mossberg article, because he doesn't usually have much of a clue what he's talking about past the standard bullet points. (which pretty much everyone already knows by now) - and largely because I don't care. I just came in here wondering who gives a shit? Fran decided to wanted to argue with me, and I obliged. Edit: just went back and read it. Do non Apple people really wait with baited breath for the Mossberg review? He tells you in the first few paragraphs that you need to go out and hold it, use it, and decide for yourself whether or not it will "work" for you. [​IMG] That should have been the end of the review. Next he will tell you to remember to breathe, and to make sure you put pants on before you go stand in line to spend nine hundred bucks on a top of the line iPad.
    I love how Slim calls Mossberg a "fan boy" because he likes Apple. Is it not possible Walt's job is to evaluate the functionality and user-friendliness of all electronic devices and report the best? If Apple has the best products in this area and Walt says so with a reasoned argument is that now grounds for "fanboy" status? The new Windows 7 is great but OS X is still the best operating system. I use a HP EliteBook for work and love it but it is not as user-friendly as my iMac. The differences in user experience have narrowed over the years but Apple still hold the lead there and in design as well.
     
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    I love how Slim calls Mossberg a "fan boy" because he likes Apple. Is it not possible Walt's job is to evaluate the functionality and user-friendliness of all electronic devices and report the best? If Apple has the best products in this area and Walt says so with a reasoned argument is that now grounds for "fanboy" status?
    No, he's a fanboy because he is biased. As I pointed out earlier, he is SO BIASED that even in a review for a competitive product, he has to MANUFACTURE a scenario where Apple wins, instead of pointing out that Apple simply won't do the equivalent of the MS product. And reasoned arguments are based in fact. When you start using speculation and false information to build your arguments, then I don't think it's very reasonable.
    You say this like it's a fact. But in fact, it's just another shitty opinion. [​IMG] Maybe you can convince a couple hundred thousand idiots to subscribe to your newspaper...
     
  18. Artisan Fan

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    No, he's a fanboy because he is biased. As I pointed out earlier, he is SO BIASED that even in a review for a competitive product, he has to MANUFACTURE a scenario where Apple wins, instead of pointing out that Apple simply won't do the equivalent of the MS product.

    And reasoned arguments are based in fact. When you start using speculation and false information to build your arguments, then I don't think it's very reasonable.


    Where did Walt manufacture a scenario that Apple wins?
     
  19. Tokyo Slim

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    Where did Walt manufacture a scenario that Apple wins?

    If you really want, I will go back through his reviews later and paste some.
     
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    [​IMG] That is definitely an insane amount of money. $17 a month???
    Not sure what is in the content, but they have shifted to offer new products lately (or at least someone came to our office to ask if we wanted it) where there is exclusive content, access to particular data, or archives. I think the product they told us about was WSJ Pro. Not sure what is on the ipad or the pricing for it, but it's possible it's higher content than you'd receive usually. And Mossberg wasn't the only reviewer to talk about how the ipad was great. Of course you'll have certain crazies on these parts who feel the need to attack anyone owning an Apple product or Apple for whatever reason, regardless of the fact that they haven't had the chance to even see the product, but I recommend ignoring them. These pad computers will fill a niche for people that want that kind of a product.
     

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