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Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by Brian SD, Nov 7, 2007.

  1. Brian SD

    Brian SD Well-Known Member

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    My thoughts on No More Heroes. Just picked up this game today, so I'll patch together a poorly-written review here:

    First off, the distribution and marketing for this game is nearly non-existent, which is a shame because this is the kind of game many people could very easily fall in love with. People wonder why 3rd party games on the Wii aren't selling, this should be a testament to this problem, when not a single store in town has it until the second day after release, and then only one store does and they have *one single copy* of the game (which is mine, thank you).

    I mentioned elsewhere that I think Adult Swim would be a pretty good place to market NMH, and having played the game I think it really rings true. This game is offbeat at its most tame moments, and absolutely psychotic in others. If you liked Killer7's feel, you'll love this one, as it has all of K7's stylized glory, but the game in reality is much more accessible and fun to play.

    It feels and plays much like an arcade game - you run around semi-pointlessly, hacking and slashing a bunch of cronies who all look identical as you make your way to the boss. I was expecting something more along the lines of Devil May Cry or Ninja Gaiden - it's nothing like either of them, far less technical and way more button-mashy, but that isn't to say it's necessarily bad. Like I said, it plays like an arcade game and that's definitely part of its charm.

    Wiimote usage is restrained but still involved. Slashing is done with the A-button, but you aim your slashes up or down by tilting the Wiimote in its respective direction. Special moves are done doing a waggle-motion. I'm pretty pleased with how the controller is used - it adds to the game without getting in the way of the fun.

    Pros:
    Hilarious, definitely will resonate well with the Sealab-watching crowd
    Beautiful graphics and sound
    Customization of your character
    Good "pick-up-and-playability."
    Fun combat

    Cons:
    Big performance issues: pop-in, framerates that are all over the place at times
    Basic combat that doesn't look like it will change much, nothing near the technique involved in DMC/NG
    Controls for driving are pretty irritating

    All in all I'd give this game a solid 8.5/10.


    Oh, Jon, I have the PS3 VF5, so no online for me. I'm no top-level player, I hope the guys in Asia break me in good when I move there in a few weeks. I play Pai pretty well though.
     
  2. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Well-Known Member

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    People wonder why 3rd party games on the Wii aren't selling,

    Dumb question:
    In this context, does "3rd party games" refer to the player's perspective (i.e., distinguished from FPS games) or something else?
     
  3. Brian SD

    Brian SD Well-Known Member

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    Dumb question: In this context, does "3rd party games" refer to the player's perspective (i.e., distinguished from FPS games) or something else?
    That would be "3rd person," 3rd party in this instance references games not developed or published by the console designer. Examples: Super Mario Galaxy (developed & published by Nintendo) is a first-party game on Nintendo Wii - categorically sells well No More Heroes (developed by Grasshopper Manufacturer & published by Ubisoft) is a third-party game on the Nintendo Wii - categorically sells very poorly Halo 3 (developed by Bungie & published by Microsoft) is a first-party game on MS Xbox 360 - categorically does decently, with particulars like Halo doing superbly Heavenly Sword (developed & published by Sony Computer Entertainment) is a first-party game on Sony Playstation 3 - categorically does well Grand Theft Auto 4 (developed & published by Rockstar) is a third-party game on PS3/X360 - all over the place in terms of successes
     
  4. Musselma

    Musselma Well-Known Member

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    So does anyone play WoW eheheh? i'm going to go back to my cave of shame now...
     
  5. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Well-Known Member

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    That would be "3rd person," 3rd party in this instance references games not developed or published by the console designer.

    Examples:
    Super Mario Galaxy (developed & published by Nintendo) is a first-party game on Nintendo Wii - categorically sells well
    No More Heroes (developed by Grasshopper Manufacturer & published by Ubisoft) is a third-party game on the Nintendo Wii - categorically sells very poorly
    Halo 3 (developed by Bungie & published by Microsoft) is a first-party game on MS Xbox 360 - categorically does decently, with particulars like Halo doing superbly
    Heavenly Sword (developed & published by Sony Computer Entertainment) is a first-party game on Sony Playstation 3 - categorically does well
    Grand Theft Auto 4 (developed & published by Rockstar) is a third-party game on PS3/X360 - all over the place in terms of successes


    Duh, sloppy reading on my part. Thanks.
     
  6. Manny Calavera

    Manny Calavera Well-Known Member

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    My thoughts on No More Heroes. Just picked up this game today, so I'll patch together a poorly-written review here:

    First off, the distribution and marketing for this game is nearly non-existent, which is a shame because this is the kind of game many people could very easily fall in love with. People wonder why 3rd party games on the Wii aren't selling, this should be a testament to this problem, when not a single store in town has it until the second day after release, and then only one store does and they have *one single copy* of the game (which is mine, thank you).

    I mentioned elsewhere that I think Adult Swim would be a pretty good place to market NMH, and having played the game I think it really rings true. This game is offbeat at its most tame moments, and absolutely psychotic in others. If you liked Killer7's feel, you'll love this one, as it has all of K7's stylized glory, but the game in reality is much more accessible and fun to play.

    It feels and plays much like an arcade game - you run around semi-pointlessly, hacking and slashing a bunch of cronies who all look identical as you make your way to the boss. I was expecting something more along the lines of Devil May Cry or Ninja Gaiden - it's nothing like either of them, far less technical and way more button-mashy, but that isn't to say it's necessarily bad. Like I said, it plays like an arcade game and that's definitely part of its charm.

    Wiimote usage is restrained but still involved. Slashing is done with the A-button, but you aim your slashes up or down by tilting the Wiimote in its respective direction. Special moves are done doing a waggle-motion. I'm pretty pleased with how the controller is used - it adds to the game without getting in the way of the fun.

    Pros:
    Hilarious, definitely will resonate well with the Sealab-watching crowd
    Beautiful graphics and sound
    Customization of your character
    Good "pick-up-and-playability."
    Fun combat

    Cons:
    Big performance issues: pop-in, framerates that are all over the place at times
    Basic combat that doesn't look like it will change much, nothing near the technique involved in DMC/NG
    Controls for driving are pretty irritating

    All in all I'd give this game a solid 8.5/10.


    Oh, Jon, I have the PS3 VF5, so no online for me. I'm no top-level player, I hope the guys in Asia break me in good when I move there in a few weeks. I play Pai pretty well though.


    Nice write-up, Brian. I'm incredibly busy so I'm not allowing myself either NMH or the new Advance Wars until the weekend. I'll agree that the distribution and advertising are ridiculous, but I think it will be a slow-burner. Believe it or not, the end-of-year NPD and Media Create charts show that Wii's first-year third-party sales are only a little worse than that of the 360 and almost double the PS3's. Most of those are Capcom games, but still, I think that, if marketed right it shows a game can sell. There's really nothing like this out there for the Wii, which already has a huge userbase. I dunno', I'm sure it will at the very least double the sales of Killer 7, which is still not saying much.

    Oh, and a question: is the overworld as mind-numbing as everyone is saying?
     
  7. Manny Calavera

    Manny Calavera Well-Known Member

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    Devil May Cry 4 demo is up on PSN and Xbox Live by the way. It's pretty good.
     
  9. dusty

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    Unf, unf, unf...

    http://teamicogamers.blogspot.com/20...enshot-of.html

    Team Ico is confirmed to be working on a PS3 game and there's what appears to be a teaser screen on their careers page. PS3 purchase validated.[​IMG]


    Well you already knew they were working on one, but still, YESSSSSSSSS.
     
  10. Manny Calavera

    Manny Calavera Well-Known Member

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    Devil May Cry 4 demo is up on PSN and Xbox Live by the way. It's pretty good.
    'Tis good. I was afraid the formula would grow old this time around but I've been having a lot of fun with it. Plus, it's sooooo pretty.
    Well you already knew they were working on one, but still, YESSSSSSSSS.
    Indeed. It's just the confirmation and tidbit that make it so sweet. I spent almost ten minutes today looking at that screen trying to gather anything from it. It doesn't look like the chain is extending vertically but along the ground, which makes me think something is connected to it. My only hope is that it's not a sequel but something entirely different in the same universe. Edit: Wow, I was looking at it on my BlackBerry while on the train and yeah, now that I can view it on the big screen, not only is the chain parallel to the ground but there's a big shadow at the top of th screen. Pretty obvious and to think I was all proud of myself...
     
  11. poppies

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    So does anyone play WoW eheheh? i'm going to go back to my cave of shame now...

    I played it for 3 days last year on the free trial during my break thinking that I would play the game out and get to like lvl 40 or something because I didn't realize there was a lvl cap. I reached the trial cap of 20 and got so pissed that I started pulling out my credit card and very nearly subscribed.

    And then I realized I was being tempted by the devil and deleted it.
     
  12. mrpologuy

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    I have been playing every wii game I have and submitting my scores to wii-records.com to try to get my ranking up. I like seeing how I stand up against other players.
     
  13. Manny Calavera

    Manny Calavera Well-Known Member

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    I have been playing every wii game I have and submitting my scores to wii-records.com to try to get my ranking up. I like seeing how I stand up against other players.

    Whoa, that site is really cool. Thanks. A question: how do they confirm your scores? Is it done through Opera on the Wii?
     
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    I beat HL2 Episode 2 today, which completes the Orange Box for me. Superb gaming, and now I'll be focusing on TF2. [​IMG]
     
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    You have to send a screen shot of your score and then if approved, it is posted to the site.
     
  16. Manny Calavera

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    You have to send a screen shot of your score and then if approved, it is posted to the site.

    Awesome. Thanks.

    Rez HD comes out tomorrow and supposedly (even though the xbox.com page says nothing of it) there are going to be leaderboards. I'm Wooden Crosses, if anyone wants to compete on a "friends list leaderboard". Either way, I cannot wait. One of my favorite games ever.
     
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    Rez on the DC was so awesome.

    I can't wait.
     
  18. Manny Calavera

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    Rez on the DC was so awesome. I can't wait.
    Virginia is for lovers. 1UP review just went up:
    Call me a loser but I'm waking up early to download this.
     
  19. mrpologuy

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    I just purchased Super Paper Mario off craigslist yesterday and it rocks.
     
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    I just purchased Super Paper Mario off craigslist yesterday and it rocks.

    Hells yeah it does. Great game
     

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