My bad guys. Not trying to derail the thread with my comment...just was making a general observation about shoe trees and boots. Brand doesn't have anything to do with it. My natural CXL boots (brand name omitted ) crease just behind the captoe...which is where most people's boots/shoes crease when walking. I find that my shoe trees barely touch the leather at that point as the vamp is beginning to slope up every so slightly. Horizontally, the tree is under the crease but bc the vamp is beginning to slope, the tree barely vertically hits the top of the boot. I was just curious if other people have encountered this. It may simply be the case of me needing to buy different (thicker) shoe trees.