Very excited about Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip

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  1. Saucemaster

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    though i kept thinking all of the characters as the west wing characters haha (yes i ahve a problem).

    Actually, w/r/t Bradley Whitford specifically, I think the problem is with both the writing and acting. He still seems an awful lot like Josh. Eventually it'll sink in that he's not, but I don't think it's your problem.
     
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    Good episode again last night.

    I especially enjoyed the line by Matthew Perry where he told the writers to dress better and said "We decide what cool is and I've decided it's no longer cool for grown men to dress like they're in junior high school."

    I actually find Bradley Whitford's character to be pretty distinctive from Josh in the West Wing and I definitely think Perry has done a good job getting away from Chandler.

    I also like the fact that, as opposed to SportsNight or The West Wing, Sorkin actually has the budget now to put his ideas on screen. On the previous shows they would have cut to black right as the credits for the show went up on screen and next week they would have talked about how great the opening Gilbert & Sullivan scene was, but we would have never actually seen it.

    Now, Sorkin has enough pull and a big enough budget that they were actually able to bring an orchestra, chorus and perform the opening sketch. Nice!
     
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    Good episode again last night.

    I especially enjoyed the line by Matthew Perry where he told the writers to dress better and said "We decide what cool is and I've decided it's no longer cool for grown men to dress like they're in junior high school."

    I actually find Bradley Whitford's character to be pretty distinctive from Josh in the West Wing and I definitely think Perry has done a good job getting away from Chandler.

    I also like the fact that, as opposed to SportsNight or The West Wing, Sorkin actually has the budget now to put his ideas on screen. On the previous shows they would have cut to black right as the credits for the show went up on screen and next week they would have talked about how great the opening Gilbert & Sullivan scene was, but we would have never actually seen it.

    Now, Sorkin has enough pull and a big enough budget that they were actually able to bring an orchestra, chorus and perform the opening sketch. Nice!


    Last night was great until the parody of "˜I am the very model of a modern major general', which personally, I thought was rather weak.

    Making Whitford into a coke-head was probably the best way to differentiate him from his WW character.

    Jon.
     
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    I especially enjoyed the line by Matthew Perry where he told the writers to dress better and said "We decide what cool is and I've decided it's no longer cool for grown men to dress like they're in junior high school."

    I liked when he said, "I couldn't believe I was saying it, but apparently I feel very strongly about it." [​IMG]

    I'm wondering how much of the show-within-the-show they're going to... uh... show. It runs a certain narrative risk, in that if the narrative hinges on a certain sketch being funny, and it's not particularly funny when we (the real life audience) see it, it taxes our suspension of disbelief. I think the occasional sketch is all we'll really see.

    Amanda Peet is still the most impressive cast member in my book, possibly because she was the one I was most worried about being able to pull of a Sorkin character.

    And did anyone else find Felicity Huffman's presence (as herself) in the pilot kind of sad? For one thing, it made me want her back in a Sorkin show and off Desperate Housewives (which, in the interests of full disclosure, I've never seen). For another, I was hoping for an occasional cameo from Sports Night characters. It would be great if Danny or Natalie (!) showed up for an episode or two. And it would be the easiest way to write Joshua Malina into the show, which we all know will happen at some point.... [​IMG]
     
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    yes we'll have to see if i ever snap out of the WW character nostalgia or if the actors successfully transition themselves. i really liked matthew perry's character when he was on WW and wanted to see more of him and am looking forward to seeing more of that and less of chandler. his girlfriend kind of bugs me though - harriet - i hope they show some real segments of the cast members doing the sketches b/c it'll be interesting to see how they transition from playing an actor on Studio to playing an actor playing a character (too complicated?).

    p.s. that clock in the office would drive me INSANE!
     
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    I also like the fact that, as opposed to SportsNight or The West Wing, Sorkin actually has the budget now to put his ideas on screen. On the previous shows they would have cut to black right as the credits for the show went up on screen and next week they would have talked about how great the opening Gilbert & Sullivan scene was, but we would have never actually seen it.

    Now, Sorkin has enough pull and a big enough budget that they were actually able to bring an orchestra, chorus and perform the opening sketch. Nice!


    I think that ends up being the downfall for this show, and why it might not last a season.

    NBC got into a bidding war for this show, and is now paying up to 3M for this show. With such high production costs, it makes it more difficult for a network to support a struggling show, despite the critical acclaim.

    As Saucemaster mentioned, there are problems with showing the skits. As a basic rule for writing, you want to show, not tell. But, you're also building up these expectations that's only going to disappoint the viewer. There's a different kind of funny for a comedy vs. a drama, and I don't think Sorkin can write the 'funny' for those comedy sketches. My brain may respect Sorkin's stuff, but I'm not laughing at those sketches either.

    Ultimately, I think it was a mistake to have the show take a behind the scenes look at a comedy sketch show. It wasn't the best vehicle for Sorkin's talents. Instead, I think a better vehicle would have been to show us the inner workings of a news network, maybe something like 60 Minutes or a nightly news show. This way, we could still see the behind the scenes stuff that Sorkin did so succesfully with Sports Night. And, we would still get the political and news stuff that we saw with West Wing.
     
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    The jokes in the skits were simply not funny...Sorkin needs to hire a good (great?) comedy writer to help him sort out the skits while he worries about the drama aspect of the show.

    Jon.
     
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    I caught some of this last night and really didn't like it. I used to (sort of) like the West Wing although I got very tired with the witty hallway conversation formula, and this felt like WWII with different stuff happening around the characters. The supposedly funny parts weren't, and I didn't see anything that made me care about any of the characters. Plus, reusing WW actors makes it really hard to see it as a new show.

    I don't go out of my way to see anything on TV, but if I run across it again I doubt I'll bother.
     
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    As unfunny as the sketches were, I could still see them being played on Saturday Night Live, which isn't meant to be a compliment to either show. For my tastes, SNL hasn't been relevant or funny in years.

    I thought that the Pimp my Trike thing was clever, but not necessairly funny. I liked the idea of combining and skewering MTV's Pimp my Ride and that show about rich kids having a blowout birthday party when they turn sixteen, showing how ridiculous both are and the logical concluison of such excesses. If you're going to spoil teenagers with such extravagances, then its not that far of a leap before you start spoiling five year olds in a similar manner. But, they only showed a glimpse of that skit, and never really developed the idea; they're not giving it enough time to set up the punchline. Even with classic SNL skits, they wouldn't have appeared to be that funny if we only saw five seconds of it.

    But, when they did finally show a sketch, we got the unfunny Science Shmience, an inferior version of SNL's celebrity jeopardy sketch. As much as we like to poke fun of Tom Cruise, that joke has already become so old and tired at this point. I think part of the reason SNL's celebrity jeopardy sketch worked because it was so random and out of left field to have Sean Connery in it. And, yet, once you saw it, it made perfect sense.
     
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    But, when they did finally show a sketch, we got the unfunny Science Shmience, an inferior version of SNL's celebrity jeopardy sketch. As much as we like to poke fun of Tom Cruise, that joke has already become so old and tired at this point.


    Yeah: Ben Stiller can do Tom cruise, and I can do Ben Stiller, therefore I can do Tom Cruise. It ends up being a Reductio ad absurdum argument which is completely fallible. It was piss-poor writing from a writer than can and knows how to do better.

    Jon.
     
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    The only thing less funny than Studio 60 is SNL. Congratulations to Sorkin for crafting another "masterpiece".

    Why is it that Sorkin believes his comedies aren't meant to be funny?
     
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    Is it really that witty?
     
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    The funniest thing was when the the PA was on the phone and said, "I've got Clay Aiken's agent on the line." Then you hear D.L Hughley's characters yell out from some unseen spot, "then hang up."

    It's sad, but this is the only place in all 3 episodes that made me laugh.
     
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    Interesting article on Variety.com today about Studio 60's failure to hold it's audience while Heroes is doing better than expected...

    http://www.variety.com/article/VR111...goryid=14&cs=1

    Especially ironic in light of Monday's storyline about the fictional Studio 60 trying to hold its audience after its premiere. Life imitates art, eh?

    I still enjoy the show, but I think it needs to find more voices. Matt (Matthew Perry), Danny (Bradley Whitford) and Jordan (Amanda Peet) all sound exactly the same to me and I assume are meant to represent the "creatives". Other than that, you have the stereotypical network executives (the suits), the performers and the one token Christian.

    Unfortunately, I have the sense that this show, in it's attempt to show how Hollywood can be good and creative, is just going to reinforce the stereotypes that Hollywood is out of touch.

    Even the choice of Rob Reiner as guest host was a paean to liberal Hollywood. I mean, seriously, why would Rob Reiner even be hosting a show like this? He hasn't directed anything good since "When Harry met Sally".

    I hope they fix it, because the show has promise, but I don't know if they will be able.

    On the bright side, Matthew Perry has a done a good job of getting away from Chandler and I like the actress who plays Harriet.
     
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    Just watched my Tivo'd copy of Monday night's show and I have to say - this is going downhill fast.

    Do we really need a history lesson on the Hollywood 10 and come on - people in Columbus, OH aren't stupid. Like they've never heard of "Who's on First"? Give me a break - it's a college town and a state capitol. Despite what Sorkin may think, it's got some culture.

    On the good side, Lauren Graham looked damn hot in her brief cameo!
     

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