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Versatility of a Belstaff Jacket and Question on fit (pics included)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by teddieriley, Oct 2, 2009.

  1. teddieriley

    teddieriley Senior member

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    Below was my original message, and I'm on the fence between the two sizes. I think I would fit perfectly in between, but have to choose with the more fitted look and the looser one. With the fitted jacket, best I can do is get a couple of layers underneath with a non-chunky sweater. The arm holes are quite high and the sleeves are slim. If I go one size up one, I can actually get a suit jacket underneath with slight room to spare, meaning bigger all over. I don't intend to wear over a suit often, if at all. It's as if one size up is equivalent to two for whatever reason. Both are comfortable in their own way. So should it be "1" or "2"?

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    I've been on a mission to find a versatile field-type jacket, something to wear both casually, and if necessary in a business casual context when I don't feel like wearing a sportcoat (appropriate with office pants and dress shirt). I've always been interested in Belstaff jackets, but have been on the fence on whether it is worth the cost.

    The one I'm interested in pulling the trigger on is a black, wax cotton Roadmaster. I'm wondering based on color and styling, whether this would be versatile enough for both dressier and casual occasions. I would prefer the jacket in a navy, but Belstaff being hard to come by in the U.S., I'm limited in color choices. I'm wondering if overall, this is more of a motorcycle only or back country-type wear. Running about $600, so a bit pricey for something that is relegated to an occasional wear-only jacket. I'd want to be able to wear the hell out of it.
     
  2. zalb916

    zalb916 Senior member

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    The Barbour International is an alternative to the Belstaff at a slightly lower price. I don't really see this or a Roadmaster style jacket as being dressy. They look good with jeans, khakis, and other casual pants, but I'm not sure I could pull off the look with dress pants. With that said, my fiance wore her International today with heels, black tights, gray skirt, and solid color top, basically the female version of business casual. I thought it looked pretty stylish. And the Belstaff models on their web site can pull it off.
     
  3. Chips

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    I fell in love with the Trialmaster that was mentioned in the 07 or 08 BBB by Esquire. I think they mentioned it was the identical one that Steve Mcqueen wore or something. I am not an expert on those coats at all and I got hung up a bit understanding that there is a Trailmaster and Trailmaster model, from what I can recall.

    Nice either way. And yes, if I bought one, I'd wear the hell out of it. But I'm not too tempted with the thought of having to buy a crusty one on eBay, since they are hard to find in larger sizes.
     
  4. teddieriley

    teddieriley Senior member

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    I would treat the Belstaff jacket as typical outerwear, but I am wondering whether style wise, it has the versatility to substitute for a sportcoat, particularly for days I am wandering a city during cold or drizzly weather (whether NYC, SF, Europe). For example, could I rock the Belstaff with odd trousers, dress shoes and dress pants (without having to remove it indoors) and not look like those guys that throw on a North Face nylon hooded jacket over their work clothes? Or does the styling - 4 front pockets, waist belt and wax cotton material - all work against what I'm looking for in this sort of jacket?
     
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    I would think of it sort of like a leather motorcycle jacket (a real-ish one, not e.g. a moto-styled lambskin jacket), since it is actually a motorcycle jacket. I wouldn't wear it with delicate fabrics (lightweight worsteds) or shoes (e.g. single soled oxfords/loafers) but pair it with more outdoor-believable clothing and it should look fine. I have one made of nylon (XL500 Trialmaster) and I wear it a lot with jeans and a sweater, that sort of thing, but even with a waxed cotton one I wouldn't wear it with actual dress shoes or lightweight dress pants, etc. It's a somewhat rugged jacket, so keep that in mind when considering what to pair it with.

    BTW I've been trolling ebay for a while looking for a decent deal on a vintage waxed cotton example, and there are usually (such as right now) a few in the size 46-ish/XL size range.
     
  6. emptym

    emptym Senior member Moderator

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    Why no nylon, G? I have a nylon RLX imitation of the Belstaff that I wear daily over a coat and tie. I think it looks great. The model is a few years old, but each year RL has put out similar versions. This year BL has two or three. Of all the ones I've seen though, my RLX version, called "monza," has been the nicest. It's made of a very durable ballistic nylon and isn't very gimmicky other than some fancy snaps that help it look good w/ relatively formal clothes. It's also highly water-resistant, possibly even waterproof. I've worn it for over a half hour while riding in a downpour and have remained totally dry. There's a pic or two of me wearing it in different threads, including the recent one on my new Sargent shoes.

    I also have an old jacket from LL Bean that's very similar. Other than the fact that it's made of a nice soft microfiber, the biggest differences are that there's no chest pockets, no neck strap, and an internal drawcord.

    Rohan, a British travel company, made a neat jacket that's a cross between the Belstaff and the LL Bean, in tan or black.
     
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    I've drooled many a time at the Conduit shop in London. Here's one you may like and they ship worldwide: belstaff
     
  8. zalb916

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    For example, could I rock the Belstaff with odd trousers, dress shoes and dress pants (without having to remove it indoors) and not look like those guys that throw on a North Face nylon hooded jacket over their work clothes?

    I think this would look very silly. It's outerwear. You could potentially wear it while outside with such dress, like the picture below from the Belstaff web site, but I think that takes some real effort and a very particular look to pull off.

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    I think it could look cool with casual clothing, but would appear too costumey with more business casual dress.
     
  10. teddieriley

    teddieriley Senior member

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    Just went to Barneys to try the jacket on, and it definitely looks great with jeans. In black, I think the jacket can certainly be pulled off with grey office pants and less formal dress shoes like brown monks or tan wing tips. Not a conservative dress look, but nice enough. My problem is with the sizing - L is a bit slim and XL feels big without cinching the waist with the belt. Not sure which direction I should go.
     
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    They don't have numbered sizes? Size to XL and tie the belt behind the back (I would never buckle it, personally). It should have room to layer underneath - after all it is outerwear.
     
  12. Firstladyofsong

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    No experience with Belstaff jacket but I would've thought Loro Piana would be an obvious choice.
     
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    found a video from my used to be local scooter shop in Parsons Green featuring the belstaff tourist trophy jacket: urban rider - this shop also incidently sells the coveted ltd edition givvi anniversary white/gold helmet which will compliment my vespa gts300 in blanco next spring.
     
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    No experience with Belstaff jacket but I would've thought Loro Piana would be an obvious choice.
    ???
     
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    I don't really see this or a Roadmaster style jacket as being dressy. They look good with jeans, khakis, and other casual pants, but I'm not sure I could pull off the look with dress pants. With that said, my fiance wore her International today with heels, black tights, gray skirt, and solid color top, basically the female version of business casual. I thought it looked pretty stylish. And the Belstaff models on their web site can pull it off.

    I´ve seen many sharp Europeans wearing Belstaff Roadmasters with suits. At least, that was the case last winter when I was in Madrid. In fact, it was THE cool jacket to wear last winter, so maybe it will be something different this time around.
     
  16. teddieriley

    teddieriley Senior member

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    Question on fit added to OP.
     
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    For fit I would go with no1. I too would not tie the belt. Great jackets though and I am sure you will get a lot of use out of it.
     
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    For fit, I pic #2. I was in the same boat when I recently bought my Belstaff Panther. I went with the more fitted size and have not looked back. I can't wear a jacket underneath but I can fit a non-bulky sweater. FYI, I am a 44R and I bought an M.
     
  19. teddieriley

    teddieriley Senior member

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    For fit, I pic #2. I was in the same boat when I recently bought my Belstaff Panther. I went with the more fitted size and have not looked back. I can't wear a jacket underneath but I can fit a non-bulky sweater. FYI, I am a 44R and I bought an M.

    A medium? Are you sure you're even a 44R to begin with? I hear the Panther runs pretty slim in the first place. I don't even think I can get a M across my shoulders and I'm more of a 42-43R!
     
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    I was wondering about that too.
    I'm a 44 and I tried on an XL which felt a bit snug.
     

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