Vass vs. Alfred Sargent "Handgrade"

[fritzl]

Originally Posted by Burton

Fritzl don't ruin my teutonic fantasies, please. I have been to Vienna but was at the shop in Munich wehn the sales woman made the comment. I think she was comparing my feet to my colleagues.

The Sargent's are a very elegant shoe. I think even a man of your Viennese sensibilities would like them.

i was kidding. i love munich and i'm sure it was a charming lady.

i admit, the sargent's are nice and i would consider them, out of the english offers. i don't like the term elegant. it's spoiled for me, after seeing so many fancy sh.. everybody goes gaga. good looking shoes.

to the latter: noooooooooooooo, the fwo...ng fiddle back destroys it. it's so ridiculous. talking sensibilities, in all the years, i haven't seen such a gimmicky thing(in general) in my neck of the wood. it's appalling, just my personal opinion.

i blame my fellow countrymen not building up a worldwide reputation. that's a verdict.

btw, i lived in vienna but i'm from the countryside... ...and currently live there.

ps: off i am, wc is calling uruguay:germany. happy feierabend to all.

 

[Burton]

Originally Posted by Son Of Saphir

Many reason for opinion,
it not bad.
AS would charge more to use Vass leather,
business sence,
English shoe always charge more.
Why would AS be better than G&G at 1K,
it no sense.
lf AS better than G&G word get out,
but no.
lt not silly opinion,
it make sense.

 

[upnorth]

Honest question. Do you know where Vass leather is sourced from and how many shoes are cut per hide?

Quality of leather is dependent on the quality of the skins but also how they are cut, i.e. imperfections are less avoidable when more shoes per hide is cut.

 

[Burton]

Originally Posted by fritzl

i was kidding. i love munich and i'm sure it was a charming lady.

i admit, the sargent's are nice and i would consider them, out of the english offers. i don't like the term elegant. it's spoiled for me, after seeing so many fancy sh.. everybody goes gaga. good looking shoes.

to the latter: noooooooooooooo, the fwo...ng fiddle back destroys it. it's so ridiculous. talking sensibilities, in all the years, i haven't seen such a gimmicky thing(in general) in my neck of the wood. it's appalling, just my personal opinion.

i blame my fellow countrymen not building up a worldwide reputation. that's a verdict.

btw, i lived in vienna but i'm from the countryside... ...and currently live there.

ps: off i am, wc is calling uruguay:germany. happy feierabend to all.

I have the world cup on as well. I am not sure this runner up game is going to be all that good. Germany should role over Uruguay. Anyway, we will have to agree to disagree on the fiddlebacks. (But I always enjoy reading your opinions Fritzl.) I am probably more fond of the Reiter styling than that of the Vass, though.

 

[onix]

Originally Posted by Son Of Saphir

AS would charge more to use Vass leather, business sence, English shoe always charge more.
does not apply for emerging new line. They need to build customer base.

Originally Posted by Son Of Saphir

Why would AS be better than G&G at 1K, it no sense. lf AS better than G&G word get out,
it's a new line, not so many people experience them yet.

Originally Posted by Son Of Saphir

but no. lt not silly opinion, it make sense.
idiotic instead. Don't assume if you never experienced it or heard it from reliable source

 

[Son Of Saphir]

me smile at you all.
is me wrong,
AS better than G&G?
Me think it not.
Picture on page one show AS not special,
look at flaws in leather.
Me not bad.

 

[Burton]

Originally Posted by Son Of Saphir

me smile at you all.
is me wrong,
AS better than G&G?
Me think it not.
Picture on page one show AS not special,
look at flaws in leather.
Me not bad.

No you you not bad just very silly:

 

[bengal-stripe]

Originally Posted by Son Of Saphir

Many reason for opinion,
it not bad.
AS would charge more to use Vass leather,
business sence,
English shoe always charge more.
Why would AS be better than G&G at 1K,
it no sense.
lf AS better than G&G word get out,
but no.
lt not silly opinion,
it make sense.

Originally Posted by Son Of Saphir

me smile at you all.
is me wrong,
AS better than G&G?
Me think it not.
Picture on page one show AS not special,
look at flaws in leather.
Me not bad.


I presume, your posts are written in Esperanto, could you translate them into English please? - Thanks!

 

[Son Of Saphir]

Me waste me time here.
Goodby.

 

[bengal-stripe]

Originally Posted by Son Of Saphir

Me waste me time here.
Goodby.

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[Don Carlos]

Originally Posted by Son Of Saphir

You wrong!
Me so solly! EDIT: Btw, whoever is pulling the strings on this puppet is doing a pretty funny job. Kudos!

 

[emptym]

Originally Posted by fritzl

why light? i want shoes and no ballerinas.
I don't know why they're light, but I like them. They certainly don't feel delicate.

Originally Posted by fritzl

...to the latter: noooooooooooooo, the fwo...ng fiddle back destroys it. it's so ridiculous. talking sensibilities, in all the years, i haven't seen such a gimmicky thing(in general) in my neck of the wood. it's appalling, just my personal opinion...
DWFII has an informative post or two on here about how fiddleback waists add structural support to the sole. But I believe that as usual, a number of posters didn't understand him or disagreed.

 

[Wrigglez]

Construction wise, vass are better simpily because they are hand welted.
Although i'm not 100% i would imagine AS handgrade line are gemmed, no matter how you look at it, that shoe is held together by a strip of canvas glued to the insole.
mind you, there are some gemmed shoes that have lasted quite a while.
Best to choose what fits you foot, budget and also appeals to you the best.
Regards

 

[luk-cha]

S offer no value to me and i find some of the designs to be off balance also i dont like how the heel counter on those adelaides are seamed just a sign of cutting cost to improve yields on the leather,to me they just a bench grade C&J and copied G&G's sole and then stuck a premium on them, . i'd reather get C&J, G&G or EG or JLP if you are looking for a round toed last then Vass F last is the best RTW last on the market

 

[upnorth]

I agree for the most parts of what you say although I think C&J should not be in the picture at all.

I strongly endorse the F last.