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Vass Old English II, Oxblood, F Last, 43 EU

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by william, Oct 28, 2007.

  1. von Rothbart

    von Rothbart Senior member

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    Well done, Chris, welcome to the club. Once you have Vass there's no turning back. I remember mine has seamless heel counter.
     
  2. Girardian

    Girardian Senior member

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    Both this and the U last version are beautiful to behold. This is what "cosolidating your resources" is all about. Shoe perfection.
     
  3. william

    william Senior member

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    Well done, Chris, welcome to the club. Once you have Vass there's no turning back. I remember mine has seamless heel counter.

    Yea I noticed....also they didn't give me two-colored soles. Maybe mine were made on a Friday afternoon. [​IMG]

    Not that either detail matters to anyone except us obsessive shoe hounds.
     
  4. grimslade

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    Well done, Chris, welcome to the club. Once you have Vass there's no turning back. I remember mine has seamless heel counter.

    How could a shoe with that design have a seamless heel counter?
     
  5. sho'nuff

    sho'nuff Senior member

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    How could a shoe with that design have a seamless heel counter?

    correct.

    von are you sure?

    these are the old english II. the seam that sweeps from the eyelet does not go to the sole, but goes back up as a 'heel counter' seam.

    so thus, the heel, should not have a seam unless that section and all along the quarters and vamp is a wholecut cut.


    the old english medallion captoe , has a SEPARATE heel counter piece, thus there is no seam on the back.

    i hope everyone understands my point above.

    but if you are sure about your english II, von, then you may have a special cut!
     
  6. sho'nuff

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    Yea I noticed....also they didn't give me two-colored soles. Maybe mine were made on a Friday afternoon. [​IMG]

    Not that either detail matters to anyone except us obsessive shoe hounds.


    Chris,
    also dont concern over the two tone sole.

    vass just paints on the black part. it is originally a oak bark sole, but they just paint the spade design on back but i dont know what they use for that varnish black.
    look at the photos of other vass CLOSELY where the two tone is present.
    you will see they are all painted,
    see here check out mine (that i sold):

    [​IMG]


    what may be the difference though is if you have a single sole or double sole.

    i prefer the double soles, as they have a thicker forefront but a slimmer waist area so it gives it a more elegant 'sweep'
     
  7. emptym

    emptym Senior member

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    emptym:
    Regarding sizing...these fit unlike any shoe I own. I'm basically a 10D or a 10.5C (US sizes) depending on the last. The closest fitting shoe to these would be my C&J Belgraves/337 in 9E UK. Hope that helps a little.


    It does. Thank you.
     
  8. Teacher

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    Simply sublime.
     
  9. william

    william Senior member

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    vr's Old English Plain w/ seamless heel counter: [​IMG] Shoe/Brian: Thanks for the explanation. I knew two-colored soles were just painted...I just like the look of it. Too minor to worry about though...just thought I'd mention it.
     
  10. sho'nuff

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    Chris,
    do you see why this heel counter on the old english does NOT have a seam?

    because it is a seperate heel counter piece.

    your old english II heal is continuous with the vamp and sides.
    thus it would be very difficult to fit that leather piece without the heal seam. basically, it will have to be some sort of a wholecut 'donut' leather piece.
     
  11. william

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    Yep...you're right. I just posted that pic in haste after work tonight.

    Leave it to you to correctly nail down the details! [​IMG]
     
  12. grimslade

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    Shoe is correct. The point is that Chris's shoes (and portnoy's) don't have a separate heel counter at all, as the last picture just posted makes clear.
     
  13. Balthazar

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    Those Old English Is in black are gorgeous. To me, they are like the ultimate version of the black AE Park Avenue. Might have to get some. The oxblood Old English IIs are very nice too. Good selection.
     
  14. von Rothbart

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    Brian is correct, my bad. The construction of the Old English II wouldn't afford a seamless heel counter, unless we're talking about the mythical seamless wholecut.
     
  15. Pliny

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    Brian is correct, my bad. The construction of the Old English II wouldn't afford a seamless heel counter, unless we're talking about the mythical seamless wholecut.
    Not a myth - the seamless whole cut has been done by Corthay. Great pics on on the French shoe-philes' Depedencap: [​IMG]
     
  16. JDelage

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    Not a myth - the seamless whole cut has been done by Corthay. Great pics on on the French shoe-philes' Depedencap:

    [​IMG]


    Dimitri Gomez, not Corthay.
     
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