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Upgrading my Job

Discussion in 'Business, Careers & Education' started by Canadian, Jun 25, 2011.

  1. Canadian

    Canadian Well-Known Member

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    Okay,

    I've been working in the family firm for eight years. I'm my dad's right hand man and although I spend a lot of time among our workers and customers, I'm also highly privileged. For example, I live at home with my folks, eat fifty dollar dinners when I go out, drive a Grand Cherokee and have a decent looking best friend/girlfriend. I did the math and I'm earning just under 40 grand, if you count the expense account and free company car and gas. I did once have a job working for the government at the Legislature and I earned 43,5 a year and was laid off after three months.

    I know a lot of people feel I'm spoiled, but I've got some advantages and feel I am either worth more at my current job or should look for a better job. I have a degree in Political Science, am working on a Masters in Theological Studies via correspondence and have a nice wardrobe with lots off generic suits and odd coats and a few nice pairs of basic shoes. For a 27 yo, I'm a pretty nice catch (my dad doesn't mind if I spend a few bucks now and then to take care of my fille de jour).

    However, I've got some reservations about getting a different job. Firstly, I'd keep the CC and car (the car is mine at any time for one dollar, and my folks will continue to pay for gas) but would lose the cushy workday, the respectable titles (CSR) and the ability to basically take time off when wanted. I have some medical issues and take medication for a problem I've got so I need a decent health plan.

    What I really want is to work in government and get another job at the Leg doing something. My old boss has moved on and the new guy says the only thing holding me back is that he has no money in the budget and has already made lots of people redundant.

    My dad has suggested I get a second job in somewhere. I don't want to work fast food, but would consider it if it were a night shift. Does anybody hire political science majors who don't want you to wear a dorky brown uniform?

    Thomas
     
  2. enjoiii

    enjoiii Senior member

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    Thanks for making us Canadians look bad [​IMG]
     
  3. Canadian

    Canadian Well-Known Member

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    So what if I don't earn 80 grand a year as a consultant. I'm very new to the working world, worked hard in school and just want some input into how I can move to the next stage.

    Tom
     
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    WTF is wrong with you? [​IMG]

    You've got a cush job, money, car and you want to do MORE?
     
  6. globetrotter

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    ok, dude, today is your lucky day. listen closely and unkle Globe will make a man out of you.

    don't go to work for the government. you are right to get out of the family firm, you might want to go back later, but you don't want to spend your life there.

    what does your family firm do? are their companies that do something similar but don't compete? do you have suppliers or distributors, or customers that might be able to use your skill sets? the best bet would be to talk to your father and say "I think that the right thing for me to do would be to go work someplace else for a few years. it will help me develop, and it might give me skills that I could bring back to the family firm in the future, but I can't promise I will come back. do you have any suggestions?"

    you probably have skills that are more that what you can put on paper - if you have been your father's right hand man for 8 years, you probably can do better than fast food. maybe one of your firm's partners can use you. that would be my first thought.

    if not, look for a company that does what your firm does, but in a different geographical territory - you really don't want to compete with your family firm, and there are people who will hire you just to piss off your father, and that isn't nice. figure out what might be a fit and try that. your skills are probably pretty hard to document, so you need to start modestly.


    what ever you do, you have to make it clear, and get your father involved, that who ever hires you has no obligation to keep you if you are a fuck up. people will be very wary of hiring you, if they do business with the family firm, if they are worried that they can't fire you.

    good luck
     
  7. Canadian

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    Globe,

    That's constructive advice and I appreciate it. I am in a terrific position right now where I have a job that could potentially pay the bills and still get a second job. I'd like to try a different field, but can't jump directly into it because some local situations make my father's life stressful and now is not the time to abandon him. To be clear, there was a major acquisition by a company in town that isn't traditionally affiliated with my field, and another business which was collapsing just got a major injection of cash as this takeover (another company, not us) is placing us over a barrel. So far we haven't lost a single account, but obviously there will be problems. We're worried that they'll undercut us in price points, so I can't just jump ship. My dad is getting older (61) and mother and him are starting to do things like take weeklong vacations or visit other relatives and I would not want him to feel obligated to remain at work if I want to go work at Old Navy or sell iPods.

    What I would really like to do is carry on with my current job and get another job in a field which would be easy to do. Retail, wholesaling, etc. My grad school career is by correspondence and I hope that once I'm done a MTS I'll be able to enjoy my true passions. Teaching at a bible college or running my own NGO would be ideal and I think that's where my skills are. It's somewhat rare to find somebody with a MTS who didn't go the whole, bible college-religious studies degree-M.Div or MTS route.

    That said, what are some easy second jobs to break into? I don't want to resort to walking around the mall in a suit and nice shoes and hand out resumes. Political careers pay okay, but they sure suck the life out of you (especially if you make it as an EA where you often end up picking up your Member from a late night session or coming to work at 3AM to catch a flight to who-knows-where.). My cousins all got nice jobs working in various fields, but two of them really love what they do (CSA at Westjet and the other is a waitress at Earls). So I'm not saying I need to be upper level management to get started, but I would like a decent health plan and some spending cash at the end of the month.

    Oh yes, I also like to dress for work. So working in the trades or food service isn't preferable.

    T
     
  8. globetrotter

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    C,

    is there anybody else around who can take over the family business? do you want to? if your dad is 61, you should be seriously thinking about it, or he should be thinking about selling now, before he gets to old. when he is ready to retire, the value of the company will plumit, he should be selling before he is ready to retire.

    if you are the only one who can take over, and your dad is 61, they your future is set in stone, I am afraid. sorry. some of us have to take on burdens that we wouldn't have gone looking for. but you should be talking to your dad about a clear path to taking over.
     
  9. Joffrey

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    don't go to work for the government.
    [​IMG]
     
  10. ter1413

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    Thanks for making us Canadians look bad [​IMG]

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  11. globetrotter

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    [​IMG]

    in his particular case, unless he has no intention of going back to work for the family firm. otherwise, it is an admirable calling....
     
  12. unjung

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    Thanks for making us Canadians look bad [​IMG]

    Srs?
     
  13. clee1982

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    ok, dude, today is your lucky day. listen closely and unkle Globe will make a man out of you.

    don't go to work for the government. you are right to get out of the family firm, you might want to go back later, but you don't want to spend your life there.

    what does your family firm do? are their companies that do something similar but don't compete? do you have suppliers or distributors, or customers that might be able to use your skill sets? the best bet would be to talk to your father and say "I think that the right thing for me to do would be to go work someplace else for a few years. it will help me develop, and it might give me skills that I could bring back to the family firm in the future, but I can't promise I will come back. do you have any suggestions?"

    you probably have skills that are more that what you can put on paper - if you have been your father's right hand man for 8 years, you probably can do better than fast food. maybe one of your firm's partners can use you. that would be my first thought.

    if not, look for a company that does what your firm does, but in a different geographical territory - you really don't want to compete with your family firm, and there are people who will hire you just to piss off your father, and that isn't nice. figure out what might be a fit and try that. your skills are probably pretty hard to document, so you need to start modestly.


    what ever you do, you have to make it clear, and get your father involved, that who ever hires you has no obligation to keep you if you are a fuck up. people will be very wary of hiring you, if they do business with the family firm, if they are worried that they can't fire you.

    good luck


    why are you being so nice?
     
  14. sinnedk

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    OP,

    I didnt catch what you actually do or what the "family business" is, that may change a few things that people advise you.
    First advice, drop you major! Theological Studies leads to nothing, go get an MBA. Your poly scie degree may allow you to get into a better or different grad school. Second, why are you aiming so low in the 2nd job field? If you are a professional why sell ipods or flip burgers or sell clothes at old navy? You need to be more ambitious. Third, why are you not considering taking over your dad's job, if you are his right hand man and know what you are doing you can grow the business.

    I personally live in California and know that a 40k income would not cut it, what is a median income in you area? Will 40k cut it? If not then you are in luck because you live at home. You can kick back and figure out a career and help your dad part time.

    Try to combine whatever your good at with your career. Im not saying you have to like it but if you can make good money doing something you are good at then it just makes sense.
     
  15. Majerle

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    Did you figure out what color your parachute is?

    ...I still don't know what the hell that means.
     
  16. sinnedk

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    Did you figure out what color your parachute is?
    ...I still don't know what the hell that means.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. Canadian

    Canadian Well-Known Member

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    Sinnedk,

    Those are all fair comments. The family business is running a printing factory. My father has been doing since, say, 1965 and was actually running his father's business at age 35 (his dad was also running a printing factory).

    As for dropping the Theological Studies major, well, I'm doing it at a very respectable seminary, and am considering a MBA following this program. In fact, if I carry on for another two years and don't really want to continue, I can definitely get an MBA. If I had the money to go to business school, I would have done an MBA to start, but need to save some money first. Essentially an MTS is a cheap way to get a masters and maximize the number of things I can do with my life. As one of my mentors said, I could do anything from running an NGO through to sleeping in the bush teaching the gospel to Africans.

    It's an unusual position I've put myself in. My undergrad career was very come and go. If a course got too hard, I dropped it and generally didn't spend much time studying over the course of the year. I still have books from uni I didn't even open. However, once I got into the 3rd and 4th years, I really started to enjoy myself and became a lot more serious. But my ending GPA was a 2.35, which is exactly .55 too low for going to grad school directly. The only option I've got is to get the MTS (no GPA requirement as it's a seminary program through University of Toronto, not a business program) and get the MBA after.

    As for a median income, 40k is very respectable. I have single friends who live on their own and live quite well with a 30-35k salary. I have a good friend who earns in excess of 60k, and is spending and investing so much, I live much better than him.

    As for an MTS leading nowhere, there are dozen of degrees which are less useful. Does anybody know an English or French or German major who does anything but teach or get a PhD? At least the MTS from an Anglican seminary gives me some options. And honestly, money isn't everything. It's great to have, but I don't want to do something that I don't enjoy (but trust me, I loved undergraduate mgt courses) like HR or accounting just because it pays well.

    Tom
     
  18. sinnedk

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    Sinnedk,

    Those are all fair comments. The family business is running a printing factory. My father has been doing since, say, 1965 and was actually running his father's business at age 35 (his dad was also running a printing factory).

    As for dropping the Theological Studies major, well, I'm doing it at a very respectable seminary, and am considering a MBA following this program. In fact, if I carry on for another two years and don't really want to continue, I can definitely get an MBA. If I had the money to go to business school, I would have done an MBA to start, but need to save some money first. Essentially an MTS is a cheap way to get a masters and maximize the number of things I can do with my life. As one of my mentors said, I could do anything from running an NGO through to sleeping in the bush teaching the gospel to Africans.

    It's an unusual position I've put myself in. My undergrad career was very come and go. If a course got too hard, I dropped it and generally didn't spend much time studying over the course of the year. I still have books from uni I didn't even open. However, once I got into the 3rd and 4th years, I really started to enjoy myself and became a lot more serious. But my ending GPA was a 2.35, which is exactly .55 too low for going to grad school directly. The only option I've got is to get the MTS (no GPA requirement as it's a seminary program through University of Toronto, not a business program) and get the MBA after.

    As for a median income, 40k is very respectable. I have single friends who live on their own and live quite well with a 30-35k salary. I have a good friend who earns in excess of 60k, and is spending and investing so much, I live much better than him.

    As for an MTS leading nowhere, there are dozen of degrees which are less useful. Does anybody know an English or French or German major who does anything but teach or get a PhD? At least the MTS from an Anglican seminary gives me some options. And honestly, money isn't everything. It's great to have, but I don't want to do something that I don't enjoy (but trust me, I loved undergraduate mgt courses) like HR or accounting just because it pays well.

    Tom


    So it sounds like overall you are ok, i think you should pursue an MBA after you finish your MTA. The MBA can either open more doors for work or help you in your family business. IMO you should really consider investing time in growing your family business and making that your baby. But if you can work part time for your dad and try another career then that is another avenue. Just avoid retail sales or restaurants (there is nothing wrong with those jobs) but they are not a future career.
     
  19. Fraiche

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    You're in a good position right now to study for an MBA.

    After that, take over your dad and take the business to the next level.
     
  20. jefe

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    Not sure why anyone hasn't told the OP that his tone sounds entitled and unbecoming of a 27 year old male that lives at home.

    The very best thing you could do is gtfo and go do something on your own for a bit, discover how completely useless poly sci and theological studies are as applicable skills, and grow some attachments.
     

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