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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by bc78, Apr 2, 2009.

  1. Prince of Paisley

    Prince of Paisley Senior member

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    *Warning for Emmanuel* [​IMG]

    Is this what a sportscoat and khaki fan would consider stylish? The whole look just doesn't do it for me, especially the wrinkly pants. Looks like he got caught in a rain shower and dried his trousers out while he was sitting down in them...
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  2. Parker

    Parker Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Wow, get it out guys!

    The only things I can think of:
    - cream/ecru shirts (ehhch!)
    - really ornate or loud ties/squares

    I don't know if these are even that universally regarded. Other than that, I can see good combos made from most other stuff, even gusset loafers. [​IMG]
     
  3. yfyf

    yfyf Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    To stir up the pot, we could take the thread one step further and have someone be in charge of anonymous complaints about WAYWT posters. In any case, adding the whole thread up, we've basically hated on every fiber of wool, cotton, escorial, silk, polyester, mohair, rayon, cupro and bemberg that you could possibly hate on.
    Well here's a challenge: show me a chino+sportscoat outfit that looks stylish.
    I think these may be the very rare few times I've even worn an odd jacket with chinos. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  4. StephenHero

    StephenHero Senior member

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    -high school kids wearing light blue tuxedos to prom

    -skin tight jeans

    -displayed logos on anything besides sportswear

    -color overkill

    -paisley print

    -ascots

    -theatrical pocket squares

    -metal banded watches

    -general femininity in dress

    -scarves of gossamer (you might as well be wearing a dress and makeup)
     
  5. Kei-bon

    Kei-bon Senior member

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    whadja buy at Beams?
     
  6. Prince of Paisley

    Prince of Paisley Senior member

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    The last is probably the closest to being stylish, chiefly because you're not wearing khakis and the colours in the pants/jacket at least compliment each other well because they contain the same green tone. Well done for giving that a go, but...

    Personally I hate No. 2 and No. 1 is ruined by those crinkly pants. Don't anyone tell me matching pants to that jacket in No. 1 wouldn't improve that outfit.
     
  7. Nexus6

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    My Dislikes (whether mentioned here or not).... 01) Marble-Bag Underwear (and Speedo's) 02) Anything by Etro (Dark, Stuffy & Brooding..looks like Victorian Upholstery) 03) Baggy Pants (Hangs on the body like a garbage bag) 04) Blousy Shirts (a la Brooks Brothers...though I own 2..I'm such a hypocrite) 05) Thin Ties & Fat Ties (3"-3 1/4" is best) 06) Giant Lapels (Think Burberry ads in GQ) 07) Frilly shirts (Goth / Austin Powers look..what's the difference) 08) Cowboy Hats (unless you ARE a Cowboy)(Cowboy Boots are ok for anyone) 09) Anything made of 'Micro-Fiber' -or- Polyester..especially 'Fine Imported Italian Polyester' [​IMG] 10) Square-Toed Shoes (Narrow, tapered 'Squared' is ok with me) 11) Thick 'Wooly Mammoth-Like' Sweaters (Alpaca excluded because it's a unique animal) 12) Wholecut Shoes (Magnificent new, but how to prevent creasing? Have people carry you?) 13) Socks that say 'GOLF' on them. (Children love to buy these for uncles & dads...why?) 14) Any Shirt with any message on it (no one actually reads them anyway) 15) Shoes with embossed LOGOs on them (Sadly, seems like standard procedure now) 16) Cardigan Sweaters. (Vests are ok though) 17) Thin Sole Shoes (I don't want to feel every pebble I walk on) 18) Bath Robes, Smoking Jackets, Sheepskin Slippers 19) Silk Pyjamas (Flannel for me please...if anything at all) 20) 4 Button Jackets (Unless you are an Usher, Soldier or presenting an Oscar) Honourable Mention A) Any LOUD Jacket (think Used Car Salesman) B) Over-Sized Thrifted Clothes / Shoes that men thrifted, thinking no one will notice. C) Un-Polished Shoes. (I don't care if a man is poor, but polish is inexpensive..no excuses!) D) Endless shades of GREY -Done [​IMG] Addendum: After sleeping on it, I have changed my mind. All of the above, that I listed of my dislikes, I now officially LIKE. Makes me look all the better when others dress silly. [​IMG]
     
  8. yfyf

    yfyf Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    whadja buy at Beams?

    I think I bought those green chinos. Oddly enough, I'm right about to embark on another trip to Tokyo and here we are in April again.
     
  9. Prince of Paisley

    Prince of Paisley Senior member

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    -paisley print


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  10. Kei-bon

    Kei-bon Senior member

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    I'm right about to embark on another trip to Tokyo and here we are in April again.
    いいな〜。
     
  11. StephenHero

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    Metlin Senior member

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    Well here's a challenge: show me a chino+sportscoat outfit that looks stylish.
    Look at the WAYWT thread. There are a tonne of examples. I'm sure there are more, but that should give you an idea.
     
  13. Metlin

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    Personally I hate No. 2 and No. 1 is ruined by those crinkly pants. Don't anyone tell me matching pants to that jacket in No. 1 wouldn't improve that outfit.

    Sprezzatura.

    There is such a thing as looking too perfect.
     
  14. Prince of Paisley

    Prince of Paisley Senior member

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    Superhero: I'm laughing at you... you'll figure out why some day.

    Metlin: I dislike most of these, but the last one is the exception - I remember it from the WAYWN thread, but for some reason I didn't remember it as including a sportscoat (as the outfit looks good, so in my mind I didn't make the connect with a sportsjacket).

    Outfit two looks like a retired naval lieutenant - all that's missing is a strip of mission bars on the breast pocket.

    Outfit three is ok, but the belt is overkill. Still, even with the belt it's too beige and monotonal.

    Outfit four is in a different class, partly because there are no wrinkles in the pants (or the shoes for that matter...) But mainly it's because the colours match in the jacket and shoes, and this balances the outfit well, whereas usually a sportscoat/chinos make you look like two halves of two discreet people wearing different outfits, glued together.

    Perhaps a rule can be established - sportscoats should compliment something in the bottom half of the outfit to make the look appear "whole" and give you balance, rather than drawing the eye just to the jacket half.
     
  15. Prince of Paisley

    Prince of Paisley Senior member

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    Can I add sprezzatura to my hate list??

    Read: "try hard to look like I haven't tried at all, and succeeding".
     
  16. StephenHero

    StephenHero Senior member

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    Superhero: I'm laughing at you... you'll figure out why some day.

    I'm terminally ill. Tell me now.
     
  17. Master-Classter

    Master-Classter Senior member

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    What if I'm an old man trapped in a young man's body? *dodders*
    Wait, I thought you were a young man trapped in an old body?
    My Dislikes (whether mentioned here or not).... 05) Thin Ties & Fat Ties (3"-3 1/4" is best) 17) Thin Sole Shoes (I don't want to feel every pebble I walk on) 18) Bath Robes, Smoking Jackets, Sheepskin Slippers
    5 + 17 - Agreed 18 - Why hate some of life's greatest feelings of pure luxury!? A bathrobe and slippers can make you feel like the most relaxed guy on the planet and a smoking jacket like the richest cockiest SOB. My list includes: 2 inch cuffs Pants too short. Little-no break is one thing, a gap where I can see your socks is bad. Too many fricken patterns, colors, accessories, etc to look at. You just look like a clown. Functional button holes, why does anyone actually care about these? Pocket squares all the time. It's not always appropriate The hate towards black suits, pants, or shirts. (I know, flame on). It's just another color like grey or blue and most people have them. They have their place and aren't just for funerals. (I realize this may be simply a matter of disagreeing with "the rules") that's all I can think of for now.
     
  18. Nexus6

    Nexus6 Senior member

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    Can I add sprezzatura to my hate list??

    Read: "try hard to look like I haven't tried at all, and succeeding".


    Fatigue and dyslexia transforms 'sprezzatura' into 'spermatazoa' [​IMG]
     
  19. DocHolliday

    DocHolliday Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Too many fricken patterns, colors, accessories, etc to look at. You just look like a clown.

    My fits must be a nightmare for both you and PoP. [​IMG]
     
  20. srivats

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    <enter stage>

    OK, this is going to get me a lot of snarky comments, but its good to get this out of my chest. Before I start, I lean more towards 'Trad' than 'iGent' and some of my comments reflect that. Note, I only said "lean".

    These are the things on SF that seem popular but I don't really give a crap about:

    -- Most G&G and Lobb shoes
    -- All chisled toe shoes, whatever the make
    -- dainty looking italian shoes
    -- artificially antiqued shoes and fake patina
    -- Bile colored shoes
    -- very wide spread collars
    -- overly crazy PS/tie combinations
    -- ticket pockets in jackets

    These are some of the trends at SF I don't really undestand:

    -- Topy hatred
    -- AE love but alden hate
    -- less than a full break on trousers. Very,very few people get the break working properly here. On many, a no-break just looks stupid.
    -- dislike of penny loafers I see here
    -- PS just for the heck of having one - sometimes you are better off w/o one.
    -- Lavender shirts
    -- light tan shoes with navy trousers
    -- the obsession with slim fit (Kent Wang slim fit shirts are just insane )
    -- THICK watches that people think is 'manly' (omega/rolex included)

    And my biggest peeve so far:

    -- the hype about BlazerSuit.
    (sorry Manton, I just don't get it. No offense intended, this is just how I feel)

    Manton describes the Blazersuit thus:

    3 roll 2, 3 open patch pockets, swelled edges, brown horn buttons. Avoids the ubiquity of brass buttons. Horn makes the coat wearable as part of a suit. Brown makes it wearable as an odd jacket. Patch pockets and swelled edges dress it down a little further, but not so much that it does not work as a suit. Not a dinner party suit, maybe not even a Big Meeting suit, but wearable in almost any other circumstance.

    ....


    Because blue buttons would make the coat too "suity" in my opinion. Brown straddles the gap better. It works well either way. Blue horn, on that cloth, only works as a suit. Brass only works as a jacket. Brown transcends.


    But Vox summed it up better in his SwissArmySuit thread without making any judgements (emphasis below is mine) :

    Once upon a time, Manton was getting a casual odd jacket made up in navy fresco, and instead of putting metal blazer buttons on it, he settled on brown horn. The jacket had other features to make it more casual: patch hip out pockets and swelled edges[/b]. While the jacket was being made, he had the thought that trousers in matching material could made the combination pass for a versatile suit, particularly good for travel. The Amazing BlazerSuit was born... read all about it here.

    How in the world does brown horn buttons make this a "suit"? To me, the BlazerSuit is only a blazer - even if worn with "matching trousers". I will never wear a blazer with matching trousers and call it a suit in any sense - esp if it has three patch pockets. The fora's double standards really show up here: wearing a suit jacket with odd trousers to pass it off as a blazer is utterly "wrong" and a newbie asking if this is right would be condemned to hell. But Manton does the reverse (the brown horn buttons being the only exception) and he gets high praise. Just doesn't make sense to me. I never really understood the hype in the first place but I kept quiet.

    The SAS makes a much better attempt with the way the whole button swap is thought through and exectued. I particularly like the transformation from "suit" to "blazer" with the metal buttons. Who agrees with me?

    Maybe the sartorial gurus here should start a thread and write about what they think seperates a blazer from a suit. Maybe then I will learn.

    In any case, let the [​IMG] begin. You will be charged for the [​IMG]

    <exit stage>
     

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