Unfunded Liabilities: a/k/a The Cloth Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Manton, Feb 10, 2008.

  1. tcbrgs

    tcbrgs Senior member

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    I don't think it would be proper for me to name them, as they have no idea I've posted pictures of their work, hope you understand
     
  2. archetypal_yuppie

    archetypal_yuppie Senior member

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    It's your prerogative. I don't think it's wrong in any way to name them (your clothes... I assume you didn't sign a secrecy rider), but if you don't want to then whatevs.
     
  3. tcbrgs

    tcbrgs Senior member

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    I have a very personable relationship with them, a friendship, it's not just a business transaction else I would happily. I will ask when I next see them
     
  4. TheTukker

    TheTukker Senior member

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    Foo: before you respond: he's new here and meant that question in a rhetorical way.


    You really should, as those garments look terrific (and that buttonhole :inlove:).
     
  5. Loathing

    Loathing Senior member

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    @tcbrgs,

    A lot of people regard clothing as a language. If you know the first thing about language (or philosophy, for that matter), you will be aware of the notion of Prescriptivism. Most people here are broadly prescriptive in their approach to clothing. You choose an alternate approach in much the same way that people choose to write grammatically erroneous English "because most people do the same".

    But prescriptive rules have the advantage of being built into a strong rational and/or historical framework, whereas your non-rules are based only in intuition. That's why you're liable to face a good deal of backlash.
     
  6. tcbrgs

    tcbrgs Senior member

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    Lets be pragmatic. If you highlight an issue with my clothing choices, I'll happily explain.

    Why can flannel not be used for an odd jacket? What rules are my POW jackets breaking in your Sartorial landscape?

    Dogmatism can be dangerous
     
  7. Despos

    Despos Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Especially if you are not comfortable giving their name publicly, as a courtesy to them, it's nice if you ask about posting pictures as well.

    I know a tailor who returned a deposit when he knew his work was being posted online. This isn't for everyone.

    The hardest thing about using those flannels as odd jackets is finding a cloth with the right texture and weave that works/looks right when you pair them together. If you make up a solid flannel trouser it looks off and like you mixed two suits.
    I can't give you a rational reason why those flannels don't make up well as odd jackets but if I was working with you I would show you examples of other cloths as a comparison and then it becomes clear.
    Been doing this 42 years and haven't yet made up that type of cloth as a jacket.
     
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  8. tcbrgs

    tcbrgs Senior member

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    I definitely think I have acted proper to all involved, without upsetting anyone, but appreciate the concern.

    I have posted pictures of the jackets, I mostly wear them with jeans, they look good and feel good, what is the issue?

    If you can't give a rational reason, perhaps there isn't one? And perhaps there is no issue with my flannel coats?
     
  9. Despos

    Despos Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Keep us posted how your jackets turn out
     
  10. tcbrgs

    tcbrgs Senior member

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    I posted the pictures on the last page sir, perhaps you mistook my jackegs to be something other than flannnel? :)
     
  11. Despos

    Despos Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Referring to he Fox sample cards

    Is the double face Tallia Delfino?

    If it is , that isn't really flannel
     
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    archibaldleach Senior member

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    Surprised you focus on the lack of a readily available rational explanation from one person rather than the fact that a skilled bespoke tailor has NEVER made up the sort of cloth in question as an odd jacket for 42 years. Not to mention that it is possible that there is not a great way to explain something on an internet forum but enough personal experience with cloth would prove the point. I have most of those swatches and would never dream of making them up as odd jackets. I'll admit I have less experience with cloth than many on here, but the more time I have spent looking at various cloths, the more I start to appreciate certain nuances.
     
  13. Griffyndor

    Griffyndor Senior member

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    Are those who dislike tcbrgs choices speaking of the pattern or of flannel in general as an odd jacket? I think the flannel blazer is as old as the odd jacket itself. I think some of the fox fabrics, the French navy in particular, would make a stunning blazer.I think flannel is fine.
     
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  14. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think those cloths are suit cloths because of the patterns. Flannel can be used for sport coats - solids actually look good in flannel - not just blue.


    BTW, I noticed that you are re-upping at Huntsman. I have a similar one from a few years ago:
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    How are things going there?
     
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  15. TheTukker

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    There you go TCBRGS - welcome to SF!
     

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