Unfunded Liabilities: a/k/a The Cloth Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Manton, Feb 10, 2008.

  1. NewYorkIslander

    NewYorkIslander Affiliate Vendor

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    I'll get a closeup at some point this weekend...its a real subtle herringbone.
     
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    Yeah, Simpsons reference. For those interested Marling & Evans are coming out with a new stock supported range in February/March which will provide an alternate to Fox Bros. and Minnis.
     
  3. gopherblue

    gopherblue Senior member

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    1) Minnis Fresco 0511 blazersuit (no pix, you've seen the 0511 before many times).

    2) Harrisons Mirage brown with blue triple windowpane sportcoat:

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    I don't think this photo really does it justice. The brown is darker and the blue is a bit more vivid IRL, but has a great look. ​

    Fit pix to come at some point in the Ercoles thread.

    Btw, it appears that I bought the last remaining jacket-length of Minnis Fresco 0518 brown that HFW had in their stockroom. HFW has discontinued the color. It is an unfunded liability for me at the moment.
     
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  4. Cantabrigian

    Cantabrigian Senior member

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    Could some DH member clean this mess up?
     
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    RogerC Senior member

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    Interesting. Details?
     
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    dimitrioup Well-Known Member

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    Both from Caccioppoli (barberis canonico made exclusively for cacciopoli) (sorry bout the extra stuff it's the rest of the stuff I got in my florence/naples trip)[​IMG]
     
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    The design of a cloth is hardly intellectual property. Please remind yourself that Alden himself took inspiration from somewhere. He is hardly a cloth designer.
     
  8. dimitrioup

    dimitrioup Well-Known Member

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    Never said it was. Just saying that cacciopoli had canonico barberis made for them (they claim exclusively)
     
  9. mactire

    mactire Senior member

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    I'll update the thread when I know more. I think it will be a plain weave flannel in a 400g-ish weight in lots of shades,
    I imagine they won't have final details on the weight under the weaving is done and the bolts are weighed.
     
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    sorry, this post was in response to a previous slewfoot post.
     
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    I didn't mean intellectual property in a legal sense. Yes, I am well aware where Alden gets all of his designs from. I'm basically just saying that if one person is making a fabric that can be purchased it's kind of a dick move to just go ahead and copy it to save yourself a bit of cash. If it's worth it for some to go through the whole organizational process of making a cloth run happen more power to them. I just don't have the time so I'm happy to pay for the convenience while knowing I am getting a stellar product. As we get older with kids and homes and careers, isn't paying for convenience much of what drives our spending? It is for me at least.
     
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    got it, he does get a premium for his cloth but let nobody be confused the LL is a business. it is a bit much with the sartorial vacations etc. though.
     
  13. Grammaton Cleric

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    While I agree with Slew that simply copying someone else's designs is wrong (and I am certainly opposed to emailing Lovat an existing LL reproduction and asking them to just copy that at a lower cost), it's worth nothing that the majority of LL cloths are simply reissues of existing Lovat designs that sell for 35 gbp / meter.

    A friend visited the Lovat mill and sent me pics of several of their stock cloths. Lo and behold, the much vaunted LL Agnelli tweed, first issued in the 1970s under a different name, was available from their stock collection for a fraction of the LL price (same weight and quality of make). The same held true for several other pics that I saw. And I'm sure that some of you already know that Fox sells 18oz. flannels (same weight and make as the LL flannels) for 48 gbp / meter.

    The notion that Alden commissioned these cloths after examining AA illustrations from the 1930s, and forcing mills to improve their techniques to match those from earlier in the 20th century, is a bit of adman genius.

    If you like an LL cloth, buy it by all means. I do admire and respect Alden for all he has done to popularize the more obscure mills (Lovat and Molloy to name two) and for nudging us all towards heavier cloths. But just don't buy into the marketing spiel to justify the 2.0-2.5x upcharge.
     
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    Where do you get Fox flannel for 48 GBP/m? Do you have your own source? That's not the standard retail price any more.
     
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    I can attest to the annoyance in coordinating a group cloth purchase, but most of the LL cloths are not available outside of the LL subscriptions unless you can organize another group buy. I think their shetlands and hopsacks are very nice cloth and worth the upcharge since you can't really find them elsewhere, but the Fox flannel stuff kind of irritates me as Fox did not sell its flannel at 100gbp/m before Alden came around, and the designs were all in Fox's vintage recipe books
     
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