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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Manton, Feb 10, 2008.
Same price by LL, check it out.
What do you think of Agnelli PoW? Not too heavy?
I'm afraid I have no intention of contributing to the owner's Cuban habit, if it was a run dealing with a mill direct I would be.
Doesn't seem too heavy. Appears to have a somewhat open weave in parts (like many LL cloths) which should allow it to breathe. It's denser to the touch than I imagined. I assumed with it being lambswool that it would be "fluffier" but it's solid. Getting it made up ASAP.
At the end of the day, the LL cloths are fantastic. They are expensive, but I'd rather pay more for something you can't get elsewhere while not having to deal with all the logistics of organizing one's own run of cloth. I've done it with Minnis and it takes up way more time that I expected. The combination of time, uniqueness and quality make them a buy for me.
You have a picture and know the mill. no reason it couldn't be made with that advantage. Having a notion of how much time and effort is involved in a run and disliking the mantra of snobbishness and constant refrain of "they don't make anything like they used to anymore except for me and my secret organic artisans" I refuse to pay a 70% premium to someone's claret fund.
And that's totally fair. However, I'd be very surprised if the mill would compromise their relationship with Michael by remaking an LL cloth for someone else. And even going to another mill with a swatch or photo wouldn't feel right. Designing one's cloth is one thing, but interfering with one's intellectual property is another.
Picking classic patterns out of a book is not design, and knowing some of the designers and colourists in the mills that make the spinning specifications I would credit them as the designer, not whoever picks up a telephone and dials it in. Designs in clothing cannot be protected by IP relevant TED here http://www.ted.com/talks/johanna_blakley_lessons_from_fashion_s_free_culture.html. If I had something woven for me I would not have the temerity to call myself a designer in place of the individual who did the work. As for whether or not a mill would make something, its their job to weave what you want, not some peculiar alchemy.
You can do what you want. I speak for myself in that I wouldn't feel comfortable simply taking one design that someone else made (be it a mill or person or whoever) and then copying it. Making a new design that I spent time and effort in sorting out the details is more rewarding and would make me sleep better.
Tthere is nothing new under heaven if you know your Ecclesiasticus. And I will be damned if I pay a pompous Anglophile manqué a surcharge to make what my grandfathers' wore. I owe the LL nor Alden anything. Squares, houndstooths and stripes were around long before they appeared.
Cloth is super heavy (probably overcoating) that I found while digging for YH. Tag on it said it was SPONGED in 1927, so I imagine its a bit older than that. Work by Ercoles.
Quote: Nice stuff, well wear!!
To each their own and I wish you luck if you go ahead and make something up and manage the process.
NYI - good stuff on the vintage cloth!
NYI, that's pretty cool. Do you have a closeup of the fabric?
Please do Tchoy when you get a chance; big fan of BNT's work.
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