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Unfunded Liabilities: a/k/a The Cloth Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Manton, Feb 10, 2008.

  1. jrd617

    jrd617 Senior member

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    Another option. I'm really hesistant to use this one because I'd feel bad about asking Greg (gdl203) to do this at cost when Reid & Taylor is the one profiting off the sale of the fabric.

    @gdl203 has generously offered to donate NMWA's domestic order fulfillment capabilities to the cause. They could set up a product page on the site to gather the orders and payment, leave it open for a few days and then close it out and send the lengths to the mill. We'd have to factor in a little bit of $$$, but NMWA would basically be doing it at cost.

    This would only be for domestic US orders. International orders are very tricky to fulfill (customs, insurance, etc)



    Amen.
     
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  2. bertie

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    I'm sure you're right about the fear of cannabilizing their normal distribution model.. I would say though that it seems to be to be quite short-sighted. The internet has changed many things and that includes both retail models and, maybe more importantly, information about things. In the past, the reps you mention were both the source of th fabric and the source for information about the fabric. Now that information is available to anyone with internet access. This then creates a demand for the product outside of the traditional distribution channels. I have access to one, maybe two tailors. Neither carries Reid. Even if they did, neither would request a custom run of a fabric bcause they don't want 60m of it.

    What we are trying to do would significantly expand Reid's exposure (it already has to some extent - I had not heard of them before this run was proposed) and provide a new revenue source that was previously unavailable. The smart play would be to allow custom runs to retail custoers but keep them apart for normal distribution to ensure that the reps don;t feel direct competition (or use them as a test bed for new fabrics). If the fabric is good and prices are good - people will seek out the regular products lines. If this falls through I, for one, would not go to that trouble.
     
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  3. AdamWill

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    Sorry, wasn't asking for myself, just making a suggestion for the group buy.
     
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    I'm not interested in this particular fabric or this latest episode, but I had been pondering this idea for some time. I would pay cold hard cash if NMWA continued expanding its "benchmade to measure/MTO programs/hybrid fusion of RTW e-shopping with bespoke sensibilities" setup and offered unique fabric runs that didn't compete with or cannibalize their existing lineup of Formosa/Rota/etc. This could be rolled into the Formosa visits for some, while others could just buy the cloth for their own use. I would love to be able to click and order both a leather jacket and a length of flannel in one shot. It would be a welcome antidote to the LL formula of arcane secret handshakes, chummy exclusivity, and tedious order process.
     
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  5. jrd617

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    Is the Minnis flannel worsted or woolen?
     
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  6. Slewfoot

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    Worsted, technically.
     
  7. jrd617

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    The Collective Action page on NMWA has been in stealth mode for the last few months.... http://www.nomanwalksalone.com/index.php/collective-action/

    This barleycorn project won't be a part of it though

     
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    Does this look worsted to you?

     
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  9. Slewfoot

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    Sorry. I read it as Fresco which is worsted. The Minnis Flannel is both worsted and woollen I believe depending on the specific fabric. Tough to saw there, but might lean towards woollen. Regardless, I usually prefer woollen as it has a more classic flannel vibe.
     
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  10. jrd617

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    hmmm.. someone should tweet vox
     
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    Same question on this. Who makes a herringbone linen?

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  13. venividivicibj

    venividivicibj Senior member

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    I was thinking of a jacket in this color, similar

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  14. mactire

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    Don't forget the 200% mark-up on cut-length prices for the perceived exclusivity of what are/were stock offerings.
     
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    If Greg can get this cut for us that would be pretty cool
     
  16. gdl203

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    Happy to do the payment processing, fulfillment, dispatch, etc... but I won't cut. So I'll do it as long as the mill ships us the cut lengths as per a schedule that jrd send them
     
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    Do you have more recent news on Reid & Taylor? Best I could find was from about a year ago.

    The BBC has a short snippet :
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-22270268


    There is this from itv

    http://www.itv.com/news/border/story/2013-04-23/scottish-borders-textile-mill-enters-administration/

     
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    And if Greg can do all the payments, fulfillment, etc but B&T still balks, maybe we can compromise by making each length a fixed 2.5M that they would cut and send to Greg?

    Not sure if a fixed length would make it seem more manageable on their end?
     
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    People really underestimate this. I've been working with HFW on a brown Fresco re-run, and it's been taking forever. In addition to me trying to get the right mixture and color (which is surprisingly difficult), there have been delays in communication and me having to wait for numerous samples to be run. It's a lot more work than I anticipated, and I don't think I'll be doing it again.

    (That said, I think we're close, and I'll be posting here when the run is ready).
     

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