Unfunded Liabilities: a/k/a The Cloth Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Manton, Feb 10, 2008.

  1. Slickman

    Slickman Senior member

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    Wow really, I had no idea Fox made them. Makes me wonder why I chose minnis over fox, always better to cut out the middleman whenever possible
     


  2. Eustace Tilley

    Eustace Tilley Senior member

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    I think the Minnis flannels are exclusive to them. Pretty sure Fox doesn't resell the same fabrics under their own brand name.
     


  3. Eustace Tilley

    Eustace Tilley Senior member

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    I also just saw the LL thread referenced above. Not sure what the Spanish business is about, but two different SR tailors have told me about the Fox / Minnis flannel connection within the past week. Shattuck is undoubtedly a top-notch tailor, but I have found some of his LL ramblings on cloth and the 'good ol'days' to be suspect.

    I understand that many of the SR tailors still like Minnis / Hardy, but shy away from anything labelled under the revived H&W brand.
     


  4. Slickman

    Slickman Senior member

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    Yes thats probably true, having just bought 2 lengths of minnis flannel, I do feel like an uneducated consumer. Granted it is great cloth, the price is however much higher than fox's. The recommendation to use dugdale for twills and worsteds for example definitely resonates as their prices are much better than some of the bigger names out their, with little sacrifice in quality, if any.
     


  5. brokencycle

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    Anyone know anything about J.H. Clissold & Son Ltd Lunar fabric? Or at least the company in general?
     
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    Carl, looking forward to your scoop on this when you get it. I live fairly close and may swing by in the next few weeks. If I do I will report back.
     


  7. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    I could not say who makes Minnis flannel these days. However, I have some old stuff and a few swatches of the current runs and they feel the same. I can't swear they are identical but they are certainly made in the same style, which is completely different from the Fox style. So, if Fox makes them, they are making them to Minnis specs.

    You can't simply "cut out the middle man" and order Fox and get Minnis. Ordering Fox means you are getting their style, which if you like it, that's great. But if you want the really beefy, stiffer stuff, Minnis is still the way to go.
     
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    kolecho Senior member

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    Here's what the MD of HFW Minnis Hardy told me about their Fresco and flannel, amongst other bits:

    ".....the flannels are very British. The woollen spun flannels have the yarn spun in Huddersfield. The cloth is woven at Antich and the milling is done at Roberts finishers.

    The Fresco (this quality does not undergo a milling finish which is a process that bursts the yarn to create a flannel or saxony)...again the yarn is spun in Huddersfield...same spinner as it always has been...woven at Antich and finished at WT Johnson. Actually the finish (whilst important) is not the key element in the Fresco...it is in the type of wool used and yarn spinning that is vital to the Fresco's performance.

    The J&J Minnis name has always been a merchant. It was never a mill. We buy our own yarn, and then weave and finish on commission........ The Hardy Minnis brands are strictly British made."
     
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  10. Lovelace

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    They also finish William Halstead's flannels also, amongst others.
     
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  11. RogerC

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    Two lengths of Hardy's Worsted Alsport, to become shoulder season jackets, possibly with a vest as well for the houndstooth one.
     


  12. dieworkwear

    dieworkwear Senior member

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    ^ I really like those, Roger.

    Regarding Fox Bros' 17oz flannels. They recently sent me some swatches of what they have in this range, and the fabric feels like it has a harder finish than their other, lighter weight offerings. Anyone have experience with these by chance? Are they just as fragile?
     


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    Thought this was relevant to the recent discussion of flannels. Recent fitting with Ercoles, x-posted from his thread. Fabric is ~14oz Harrisons woolen flannel. Hand is definitely a bit softer and more "lux" than the Minnis but still has some real body to it, not massively different.

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    Looks great
     


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    I saw it on the mannequin. I love the fabric, probably my next choice.
     


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