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Unfunded Liabilities: a/k/a The Cloth Thread

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I've seen some people organize group ships to certain locations so they can save on costs. So if a guy in X country has Y friends who would all like to order the same cloth, sometimes they have everything shipped to one person's home. But from what I've seen, these people often live in East Asia, where it would be difficult to wear a cashmere overcoat.
It's overkill for most places these days unless one spends that much time outdoors in the dead of winter. Personally, I would hate to have carry all that weight around.
 

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Try to find 1000 gm cashmere made in the UK (for less) If you can, I’ll eat my hat.
Don't quote me but I think the original LL run of this cashmere beast was half the current price. In any case, Michael is certainly charging as much as the market can bear these days. Cloth club it ain't no more.
 

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It's not cheap. At all.

The thing, though, is that I currently own 0 bespoke overcoats (my only dress coat is a dark charcoal herringbone Davide Cenci Ulster-style coat that I bought in the bowels of the recession in December 2008, which has served me surprisingly well).

And my hope is to get up to a grand total of 2: the Liverano and a Balmacaan from Caid (both through The Armoury).

So the wears-to-money ratio will be *high*.

Now, do I need to layer another $4,000 on top of that just for the cloth? Probably not.
In fairness, if you’re shelling out for a Liverano Ulster, might as well go balls out on the cloth.
 

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Just now got admitted to the LL forum, so two questions for the assembled throng related to the new Everest run:

- How long, generally speaking, do these cloths take to arrive? (I ask because I sort of have a window over the next ~6 months to get to New York for Liverano trunk shows – but beyond that it might be a little harder for a while.

- What's the minimum length I'd need for a full-length, DB overcoat? 4m, right? Just wanting to make sure before I maybe pull the trigger.
 

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In fairness, if you’re shelling out for a Liverano Ulster, might as well go balls out on the cloth.
For sure.

The color and weight are making me hesitate, though, as otherwise I'm not sure I'd choose navy or midnight, and lugging that much coat around when not wearing it could be a little nuts.
 

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It is a a bolt of pure luxury, certainly not necessity. There are many more cloth options for a beautiful bespoke overcoat. This cloth just happens to be the king of heavyweight cashmere.

speaking for myself, this will most likely be a once in a lifetime purchase that I plan to enjoy for many years to come.

when we add up all of the many bespoke mistakes we have made over the years (garments we never should have commissioned) I don’t think an additional $4000 premium is all that bad. You can’t go wrong with midnight blue Everest.
 

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It is a a bolt of pure luxury, certainly not necessity. There are many more cloth options for a beautiful bespoke overcoat. This cloth just happens to be the king of heavyweight cashmere.

speaking for myself, this will most likely be a once in a lifetime purchase that I plan to enjoy for many years to come.

when we add up all of the many bespoke mistakes we have made over the years (garments we never should have commissioned) I don’t think an additional $4000 premium is all that bad. You can’t go wrong with midnight blue Everest.
???
 

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As mentioned, we SFers are the oddest of oddballs. It's not to say it's an obscene upcharge relative to the market. It's simply an obscene amount for an utterly unnecessary frivolity. A sentiment compounded by the struggles normal society is facing nowadays.
Which, of course, ZERO judgement. But not an overstatement in saying we're a silly bunch, in my estimation.

Note: this from someone who's debating buying a 25oz camel hair overcoat...living in Los Angeles. Again, revel in the absurdity of the forum I say.
An obscene amount as compared to what?

there is nothing else available or comparable on the market.

I am not one to spend money frivolously.
I see value in the luxury of this garment.

perhaps a $30,000 vicuña overcoat might be a bit of a stretch.
 

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Don't quote me but I think the original LL run of this cashmere beast was half the current price. In any case, Michael is certainly charging as much as the market can bear these days. Cloth club it ain't no more.
London Lounge prices aren’t cheap, by any means. I find them to be fair and on par with most merchants for the quality that is offered.
Michael puts in a ton of time, effort, and energy for LL. Time is money and deserving of profit.
 

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It is a a bolt of pure luxury, certainly not necessity. There are many more cloth options for a beautiful bespoke overcoat. This cloth just happens to be the king of heavyweight cashmere.

speaking for myself, this will most likely be a once in a lifetime purchase that I plan to enjoy for many years to come.

when we add up all of the many bespoke mistakes we have made over the years (garments we never should have commissioned) I don’t think an additional $4000 premium is all that bad. You can’t go wrong with midnight blue Everest.
You have such convincing power that I considered for a moment buying the cloth.
 

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You have such convincing power that I considered for a moment buying the cloth.
It’s not for everyone. It is purely a luxury item. Due to the high cost (and rising) I highly doubt we will see a subscription for this offered again for a very very long time.
 

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Don't quote me but I think the original LL run of this cashmere beast was half the current price. In any case, Michael is certainly charging as much as the market can bear these days. Cloth club it ain't no more.
Don't think that's true. I considered subscribing to the original Everest run and also vaguely remember it was about $1,000 per meter. I think I paid about $400 per meter for the jacketing version.

I believe Vox told me that he paid about $1,000 per meter for Harrisons camelhair overcoating. I bought the same fabric from my tailor but don't remember what I paid.
 

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Don't think that's true. I considered subscribing to the original Everest run and also vaguely remember it was about $1,000 per meter. I think I paid about $400 per meter for the jacketing version.

I believe Vox told me that he paid about $1,000 per meter for Harrisons camelhair overcoating. I bought the same fabric from my tailor but don't remember what I paid.
What cloth was this? I dont see anything in the Harrison's line that lines up with that, but perhaps its been discontinued.
 

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What cloth was this? I dont see anything in the Harrison's line that lines up with that, but perhaps its been discontinued.
No idea. You can message Vox to ask. I told my tailor to just buy the cloth used for his coat. I don't remember the price. I was surprised to hear from Vox later that the cloth was very expensive. I vaguely remember him telling me $1k/ meter, but I may be mistaken. You can find him these days on Twitter.
 
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No idea. You can message Vox to ask. I told my tailor to just buy the cloth used for his coat. I don't remember the price, just paid the bill. I was surprised to hear from Vox later that the cloth was very expensive. I vaguely remember him telling me $1k/ meter, but I may be mistaken. You can find him these days on Twitter.
It was camelhair? How long ago did you have it made?
 

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