Understanding Denim (AskMen)

[mensimageconsultant]

The article actually makes some good points, some of which newer members here might not have known.

 

[whodini]

"Denim is denim; not all denims are equal, but no matter what pair of jeans you have at some point or another it started off as raw denim. So, with raw denim, what you’re really doing is eliminating the washing, which should decrease the price of the denim as a general rule."

Who is this idiot? General rule is if you start off with ****** denim then you're overpaying someone to ruin it even more...

Oh wait, it goes on like this... "So it can get quite expensive when you talk about having a destroyed jean [because] somebody in the factory has to rip it with some sort of machine, wash it and rip it again, wash it, rip it again..."

Yeah, another mainstream article.

 

[Arethusa]

If I have to suffer through one more asshole telling me how much more authentic this fabric is than all the others, I'm not going to stop stabbing until my arms fall off.

 

[Tiranis]

Originally Posted by whodini

"Denim is denim; not all denims are equal, but no matter what pair of jeans you have at some point or another it started off as raw denim. So, with raw denim, what you’re really doing is eliminating the washing, which should decrease the price of the denim as a general rule." Who is this idiot? General rule is if you start off with ****** denim then you're overpaying someone to ruin it even more... Oh wait, it goes on like this... "So it can get quite expensive when you talk about having a destroyed jean [because] somebody in the factory has to rip it with some sort of machine, wash it and rip it again, wash it, rip it again..." Yeah, another mainstream article.
Well, not that I like the article, but I think you're way off base there. All distressed Nudies are much more expensive than the raws, they're more expensive because more work was required to get them the way they are. You don't have to automatically imagine some cheap A&F jeans or **** like that. This is the part where he actually ***** up:

Q: Does raw denim really allow you to personalize your jeans the way it’s marketed? Yes and no. It’s a very short-lived thing. If you take a pair of raw denim and you wear them, they’ll conform to your body and your movements, so you’ll get certain stretched pressure points in your knees and your thighs and bum, but the minute you wash them you will lose most of that personal effect and you’ll have to start [reforming them] all over again. But technically, if you wore the jeans and left the denim and you never washed it -- which would be kind of gross -- they would eventually fade out and they would be totally customized to your body.

 

[Brian SD]

The laundry (washing process) is the most expensive part of denim production in most cases. Obviously when 45RPM is hand-dying with natural indigo, that part is going to outweigh the costs of the washing/distressing, but for the most part, he's right. Raw denim SHOULD always be less expensive than washed denim, but that's assuming that said raw pair uses exactly the same materials as said washed pair. Most of the time, this is not the case, as companies tend to use their best materials for their raw denim, where quality is much more noticeable from the getgo.

 

[whodini]

I'm not oblivious to the fact that it costs more to hand-distress denim that selling it raw or one-wash, but I'll refer back to what I originally said: General rule is if you start off with ****** denim then you're overpaying someone to ruin it even more... I think BrianSD caught what I was trying to say. $250 can either get you something high end in terms of materials, or it can get you this: http://www.urbanoutfitters.com/shopp...roductID=26089 I simply do not buy the argument for paying more for jeans just because some dude took sandpaper to it. In the case of 5EP worn stuff, for example, you're getting quality material PLUS handwork. At least in that case, the extra cost justifies the product. But in this article he uses that blanket statement to justify paying for such looks on stuff like the TR pair linked. It's just mainstream nonsense.

 

[Arethusa]

Agreed. 5EP and Earnest Sewn are really not the de factor standard for washed denim.

 

[Dick Danger]

enh

 

[Dick Danger]

oops, try this agian

 

[Rye GB]

Jeez, were to start here?....

That article is ok for the newby, alot of what this chick has to say is really of personal opinion.

I've used many fabric from the Japanese Mills Toco and Kuroki that have no flavor as a raw fabric but come to life after the wet process is applied. So even $11 + fabrics can be dull and uninspiring...where am I going with this?.

The tacky ass brand Stitches's utilizes Cone fabrics which do benefit from the wet process and application of distress, this is a good example of inferior fabrications that need a wash process(Whodini!, CHEAP FABRICS NEED LOVE TO!). Most Cone product needs a secondary process to benefit from the texture and color of their goods.

That's it from me, need to get back to work!. Sorry for my lame 2 cents!.

 

[whodini]

Originally Posted by Rye GB

The tacky ass brand Stitches's utilizes Cone fabrics which do benefit from the wet process and application of distress, this is a good example of inferior fabrications that need a wash process(Whodini!, CHEAP FABRICS NEED LOVE TO!).


Fine. Take your cheap fabrics. I hope you fall off the Franklin bridge...