Undergrad education and "prestige"

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  1. Connemara

    Connemara [URL='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jST2Sv63WQ']

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    Umm... aren't UofM, UChicago, Stanford and MIT private schools? I'm pretty sure I mentioned top-non Ivy schools (like when I wrote Stanford). Also, there's a big difference between UCBerkley and Ohio St.
    Michigan is a public school.
     


  2. Piobaire

    Piobaire Not left of center?

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    Umm... aren't UofM, UChicago, Stanford and MIT private schools? I'm pretty sure I mentioned top-non Ivy schools (like when I wrote Stanford). Also, there's a big difference between UCBerkley and Ohio St.
    Umm, pretty sure you just said:
    O please... people who tell you that Ivy's are shit didn't get in or they did, and couldn't afford it so now they're jealous
    Yes, if you want to nationally pick the best schools and include them in your set, that's just fine. But they ain't Ivy. Also, U of M is not private. So what exactly is your set criteria? Ivy? Private? Or just good? If "just good" is your set criteria, I agree with you. But your quote specifically referenced Ivy.
     


  3. Violinist

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    Umm, pretty sure you just said:



    Yes, if you want to nationally pick the best schools and include them in your set, that's just fine. But they ain't Ivy. Also, U of M is not private. So what exactly is your set criteria? Ivy? Private? Or just good? If "just good" is your set criteria, I agree with you. But your quote specifically referenced Ivy.


    No, I included Stanford in my post as one of several "prestigious" schools, because that's what Connemara did. I'm pretty sure that it isn't an Ivy league either, but he lumped it in with schools that asian kids will kill themselves if they don't get into them. I mentioned UofM because I have a friend doing grad school there and I know it's competitive.

    In my "list" would be schools that are highly competitive and are usually full of driven, goal oriented people. That's what I'm talking about. People tend to lump in "ivy league" schools with places like UChicago, Stanford, John's Hopkins, NYU etc... I thought I made that clear but obviously I didn't.

    I maintain that the people around you are the most important thing, so that's why I would prefer schools which are highly selective, even for undergrad. I also know there's all these schools like Amherst, Williams or something, and Middlebury. Don't really know much about them, but in any case, I was talking about great, prestigious schools in general (since Connemara in his original post mentioned Stanford, which is not an ivy league, but is prestigious).
     


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  5. Violinist

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    Michigan is a public school.

    Ok, the rest aren't. Who cares. If I had to go to a public school I'd probably go to UT or Berkley, UT mostly becuase it would be really fun and Austin is a great city.
     


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    . People tend to lump in "ivy league" schools with places like UChicago, Stanford, John's Hopkins, NYU etc... I thought I made that clear but obviously I didn't.

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    sloppy, careless people....
     


  7. Violinist

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    sloppy, careless people....

    Well then blame Connemara... but anyways, there's more than just those 8 Ivy's (among which there's a stratification) which get a lot of attention, and he's right for placing a place like Stanford in the same league.
     


  8. Piobaire

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    No, I included Stanford in my post as one of several "prestigious" schools, because that's what Connemara did. I'm pretty sure that it isn't an Ivy league either, but he lumped it in with schools that asian kids will kill themselves if they don't get into them. I mentioned UofM because I have a friend doing grad school there and I know it's competitive.

    In my "list" would be schools that are highly competitive and are usually full of driven, goal oriented people. That's what I'm talking about. People tend to lump in "ivy league" schools with places like UChicago, Stanford, John's Hopkins, NYU etc... I thought I made that clear but obviously I didn't.

    I maintain that the people around you are the most important thing, so that's why I would prefer schools which are highly selective, even for undergrad. I also know there's all these schools like Amherst, Williams or something, and Middlebury. Don't really know much about them, but in any case, I was talking about great, prestigious schools in general (since Connemara in his original post mentioned Stanford, which is not an ivy league, but is prestigious).


    You did mention Stanford but you made such a specific comment to the Ivy that I thought possibly you were conflating them, just as you have talked about people tend to do. I agree, the people around you are important, as are the cadre of alumni.

    Also, we need to create a class of poster that is not troll, per se, but merely comments on the posters more often than the content. Oh wait, I hear there's a whole website devoted to that, but it's fairly noir.
     


  9. RJman

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    Also, we need to create a class of poster that is not troll, per se, but merely comments on the posters more often than the content. Oh wait, I hear there's a whole website devoted to that, but it's fairly noir.
    I'm just trying to tell every poster on this thread but one or two that there are certain posters whom dealing with or responding to only is going to drag you down into their own inescapable stupidity.
     


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    Piobaire Not left of center?

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    I'm just trying to tell every poster on this thread but one or two that there are certain posters whom dealing with or responding to only is going to drag you down into their own inescapable stupidity.

    Oh, did you feel that was directed at you? Now why would that be? I certainly did not feel your post was directed at me, that you were telling me I am inescapably stupid, as that would be an unprovoked ad hom, something I hear is frowned on.
     


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    Oh, did you feel that was directed at you? Now why would that be? I certainly did not feel your post was directed at me, that you were telling me I am inescapably stupid, as that would be an unprovoked ad hom, something I hear is frowned on.
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    The prestige at these schools exists for a reason. Even at a shitty Ivy like Cornell, the education is an order of magnitude better than a top public like Berkeley. It's because the Ivy's attract the best from top to bottom- funding, administrators, professors and especially students. The real value of going to an exclusive school is the quality of the student body. It's hard as fuck to get in, so generally the average person you meet is going to be smart as fuck compared to the average college student across the USA.

    Sure you get some athletes, legacies, and persons of color at top Ivys, but the rest of the class is made up of the winners of the world-wide genetic lottery. Would you rather spend 4 years of your life surrounded by extremely bright people or average people? There is a reason kids don't turn down a Princeton acceptance to attend Boston College...
     


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    The prestige at these schools exists for a reason. Even at a shitty Ivy like Cornell, the education is an order of magnitude better than a top public like Berkeley. It's because the Ivy's attract the best from top to bottom- funding, administrators, professors and especially students. The real value of going to an exclusive school is the quality of the student body. It's hard as fuck to get in, so generally the average person you meet is going to be smart as fuck compared to the average college student across the USA.

    Sure you get some athletes, legacies, and persons of color at top Ivys, but the rest of the class is made up of the winners of the world-wide genetic lottery. Would you rather spend 4 years of your life surrounded by extremely bright people or average people? There is a reason kids don't turn down a Princeton acceptance to attend Boston College...



    Umm I think at one point Berkley was ranked the top college in the USA. Also, there are several schools ranked better than Cornell, Dartmouth and Brown.

    I do believe Cornell has the best Architecture school however.
     


  14. Connemara

    Connemara [URL='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jST2Sv63WQ']

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    Cornell has the unfortunate feature of being located in Ithaca, NY.
     


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