TyCooN's Official Boxing Thread

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  1. TyCooN

    TyCooN Senior member

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    I'm thinking Mayweather just because Roach said it clear and out loud after the fight that he wanted Mayweather. If not, maybe Mosley and then Mayweather.

    Your thoughts?

    I see pac fighting two more times tops, and then retiring. He stated after his victory that welterweight is his limit, and that super welterweight is too big for him. There's really no one left at 147, but Floyd and Mosley. I'm skeptical about Williams saying that he can still make the welterweight limit. If he was reluctant to fight Floyd, the vacation comment, then he'll have reservations about Williams. No one's going to hold him against Williams either. I don't think Mosley will happen if fanny pac fights Floyd first. Win or lose against Floyd, what's there left to prove after that?
     


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    Wait, you smell that?
    Not to be funny, but I find you to be uninteresting and lame.

    Too easy. But nice try.
     


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    MIKE TYSON can't ever get a break.[​IMG]
     


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    OP is an idiot. I support moving this to Dumb Threads.
     


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    OP is an idiot. I support moving this to Dumb Threads.
    Why? Because I call things out the way they are? You're the fucking dumbass who can't accept the truth.


    floyd's already moving on it http://www.fighthype.com/pages/conte...f492a31a6956c1
    Good news.
     


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    I don't want to denigrate Pacquiao's accomplishment, but the fight with Cotto was at a catchweight. How can it be considered a welterweight title fight? Is there a possibility that Cotto was significantly weakened by having to fight at two lbs. lighter than his normal fighting weight?
     


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    The thing I found interesting was that they didn't show what weight Cotto or Pacquiao was right before the fight. I know they weighed 144 and 145 respectively but I am sure that is not what they weighed during the next day. I mean in one of the under-card fights, one of the boxers gained 16-21 lbs from the weigh-in to the fight night. So we really do not know how heavy either fighter way and I wouldn't be surprised if Cotto was 160-165 lbs during the fight, same with Pacquiao though, he could have been at 135-140.

    And even though it was a catch weight, you have to consider that Pacquiao was a 112 lb champion and moved up to 144 lbs and has excelled. Plus with the total domination, it probably wouldn't have mattered much, it was a clear win for Pacman and there really isn't anymore excuses for Cotto.

    Even though he lost, I think Cotto has gained plenty of respect because he did fight with a lot of heart and never gave up. He is also very respectable and humble, he gave me a new prospective on his career. He'll fight again, he is still young, and once he gets to beat on a few small dogs he'll be back on top and go after the title again.
     


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    I don't want to denigrate Pacquiao's accomplishment, but the fight with Cotto was at a catchweight. How can it be considered a welterweight title fight? Is there a possibility that Cotto was significantly weakened by having to fight at two lbs. lighter than his normal fighting weight?
    You bring up a good point. Cotto and Pac are promoted by the same guy, and Cotto essentially got fucked over into putting the belt on the line. Arum knows that having fanny pac as a titleholder will make it easier to negotiate with Floyd. If you want the belt for an entire division than the guy you're fighting should be able to pick any weight within the range. That wasn't how it worked for this fight. Anyways, pac has shown that he can take some of the most powerful punches in the welterweight division by Cotto. He now has the belt. A reasonable person will know that he should drop that catchweight shit for any future fights. If not he might as well as call it the 145 belt instead of the welterweight. Cotto usually weighed in around there for his previous fights. The weight wasn't the reason for why he fought so bad. He still had the pop in his punches, fanny pac admits to being hurt in the fight yet he hid it during the post fight talk. Cotto's corner was the biggest reason for him doing so bad. Remember how bad Hatton did against Pac? He couldn't work together with Floyd Sr, and that made him completely abandon the game plan. Cotto was his own boss, so he had no one to correct his mistakes for him.
     


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    Agreed, Cotto's side were all amateurs, hell his trainer was Roaches assistant and this was hist first fight as a head trainer. They did not have a strategy at all and I think Cotto looked for a "yes" man and he got it. Cotto would have had a better chance if he had a real trainer on his corner.

    As for the Welterweight, I though welterweight was for 140-147 lbs? I wouldn't say Cotto got f'd though, the man got paid $7 million in a loss, that is a lot of money for the losing side. I beleive JMM only got like $2-$3 mil against Money.

    Not to add to the Pacman/Money debate but Pacman did have to move up in weight to fight DLH/Hatton/Cotto while JMM had to move up in weight against Money so the catch weight argument can't really be used against either one, I'm just putting it out there.
     


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    Agreed, Cotto's side were all amateurs, hell his trainer was Roaches assistant and this was hist first fight as a head trainer. They did not have a strategy at all and I think Cotto looked for a "yes" man and he got it. Cotto would have had a better chance if he had a real trainer on his corner.

    As for the Welterweight, I though welterweight was for 140-147 lbs? I wouldn't say Cotto got f'd though, the man got paid $7 million in a loss, that is a lot of money for the losing side. I beleive JMM only got like $2-$3 mil against Money.

    Not to add to the Pacman/Money debate but Pacman did have to move up in weight to fight DLH/Hatton/Cotto while JMM had to move up in weight against Money so the catch weight argument can't really be used against either one, I'm just putting it out there.

    Yea, 140-147 is welterweight. I'm saying Cotto was conned for his belt. They made the fight happen at a catchweight of 145 instead of letting both fighters choose to come in at any number within the welter range. Cotto didn't want to put his belt on the line at first, but Arum had him do it.

    I'm saying that since Pac is now the official titleholder for the WELTERWEIGHT division he should let challengers fight within any number of that range. If not let's just call it the 145 belt.
     


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    I really don't see the big deal though, like I said, Cotto made the 145 lbs weigh-in on Friday but he was probably a lot heavier in the fight so either way, I doubt it affected his abilities. It was all good though, $7 mil to put the title on the line isn't bad at all. He probably would have gotten the same amount as JMM if he didn't put it on the line.

    Seriously though, the only drawback of the whole night was the crappy undercards. When they said Chavez Jr. wanted to challenge Pacman I thought to myself, dude must have firepower or at least decent and then I see this dude fight and I had to change back to NBA TV just to stay awake. Dude was weak, the same with the Santos/Foreman fight, no excitement at all, made me appreciate the Pac/Cotto fight much more.
     


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    I really don't see the big deal though, like I said, Cotto made the 145 lbs weigh-in on Friday but he was probably a lot heavier in the fight so either way, I doubt it affected his abilities. It was all good though, $7 mil to put the title on the line isn't bad at all. He probably would have gotten the same amount as JMM if he didn't put it on the line.

    Seriously though, the only drawback of the whole night was the crappy undercards. When they said Chavez Jr. wanted to challenge Pacman I thought to myself, dude must have firepower or at least decent and then I see this dude fight and I had to change back to NBA TV just to stay awake. Dude was weak, the same with the Santos/Foreman fight, no excitement at all, made me appreciate the Pac/Cotto fight much more.

    Not for Cotto, but for future fights the catchweight biz should be over. Pac proved on Saturday that he's good enough to bang with true welterweights despite his smaller size.

    Who was the guy ran away near the end of round 9 into his corner?[​IMG] His fight came before the Chavez fight.
     


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    The guy that ran was Yuri Foreman, I was laughing. Then Chavez Jr. got bitch slapped a few times with a backhand, the ref just let it go. [​IMG]
     


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