Tuxedo with no waistcoast or cummerbund ?

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  1. RTenenbaum

    RTenenbaum Active Member

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    Is this appropriate? Will be wearing a bow tie.

    What about braces/suspenders? What's the consensus on braces with a tuxedo?
     


  2. landshark

    landshark Senior member

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    White braces acceptable.

    If you have a waistcoat or cummerbund, wear it.
     


  3. msulinski

    msulinski Senior member

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    No one should see the braces, so it shouldn't matter what color. And you should wear some kind of waist covering.
     


  4. AlexE

    AlexE Senior member

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    Having a waist covering with a single-breasted dinner suit is tradition. This being said: most people wearing dinner suits these days skip it unfortunately (don't know why since a cummerbund is neither particularly expensive nor uncomfortable).

    By the way: If you wear a cummerbund it should be of the same material (gross grain or satin) like lapel facings and bow tie.
     
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  5. add911_11

    add911_11 Senior member

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    Most people I knew, Including myself, will always wear a waistcoat (white or black low cut).
     


  6. Ivar

    Ivar Senior member

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    I don't view omitting the cummerbund as a particularly egregious breach of etiquette, but why would you want to?
     


  7. RTenenbaum

    RTenenbaum Active Member

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    Thank you for the replies. I wanted to go for a less traditional black tie look (if that's not an oxymoron). I think any color cummerbund other than black makes the wearer look like a waiter. As the bow tie typically matches the cummerbund, though, this would limit me to a black tie. Would a black cummerbund with a black and silver paisley bow tie be alright, even though it wouldn't match the cummerbund, strictly speaking?
     


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    It pretty much is an oxymoron. Do black tie or just wear a suit.
     


  9. rob

    rob Senior member

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    The tie is to be black and black alone. Hence, the black tie name.

    Rob
     


  10. AlexE

    AlexE Senior member

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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
     


  11. MyOtherLife

    MyOtherLife Senior member

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    A cummerbund hides a multitude of sin after a large meal and for some, even before the meal.
     


  12. IndianBoyz

    IndianBoyz Senior member

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    Is this actually the story behind wearing one?
     


  13. AlexE

    AlexE Senior member

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    To my knowledge it has its origins in the adoption of tribal warrior "cummerbunds" by British military officers in South Asia. It then became part of civilian dinner suits (like other military uniform characteristics such as braided trouser seams). So I doubt that it was introduced to hide the "pot belly".
     


  14. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Jewfro Dubiously Honored

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    My understanding is that it was adopted in those hotter climates because it doesn't wear as hot as a waistcoat.
     


  15. IndianBoyz

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    I know a cummerband is native to India. Indeed the warrior tribes used it as a belt to also keep daggers etc. near the waist. But I never understood why the English "made" it such a formal item in western wear.


    Makes sense.
     
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