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Tuxedo vest / wedding questions

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by tangleman, Oct 31, 2012.

  1. tangleman

    tangleman New Member

    Oct 11, 2012
    I'm a relative newcomer to this site, but the forums here have been invaluable in educating myself about how to build a wardrobe of good suits. Now, however, I'm hoping all of you can help with some wedding-related questions.

    I'm getting married in January and intend to buy a tuxedo for that illustrious event. I want to wear a vest/waistcoat, but as most of the OTR tuxedos that I've considered (in my price range of < $ 1000) lack a vest, I've had to look for a standalone vest in my preferred style: a traditional three-button vest with oblong/shawl lapels. Specifically, I'd like to wear a white pique vest, instead of black silk. This, however, leads to a few questions:

    (1) Is a backless white vest more common, or more proper, than a backed white vest? The BlackTieGuide website and my own research suggest that backless is the norm -- BB, Ede & Ravenscroft, Lord West, etc., sell backless vests, while I could find only one vendor, Oliver Brown, that offers a backed white vest. Does anyone have actual experience.that may shed light on the back vs. backless issue?

    (2) I want to to wear mother-of-pearl square studs set in silver for my tuxedo shirt (which, if relevant, has a wing-collar). Will that clash with the round white buttons of the white vest (or, in the case of some of the UK retailers noted above, round mother-of-pearl buttons)? Should I switch to round studs?
    -a picture of the type of square studs I mean is: http://www.brookstone.com/silver-mo...iid=SearchResults|CategoryProductList|769196p (I can't find a picture online of the studs that actually interest me, but these are close)
    -my fallback set of round studs (the designer makes the square studs that actually interest me): http://www.cufflinksdepot.com/p/H96866202/Sterling+Silver+Pearl+Stud+Set.html

    (3) If I'm wearing the traditional style of vest, do my groomsmen need to match that style? What about the color -- if I wear a white vest, do they also have to wear white vests, or is it appropriate for them to wear black vests?

    (4) The tuxedo will have peak, satin lapels. If I wear the white pique vest, should I get a "matching" black pique bow tie (assuming that even exists), or do I stick with a black silk bowtie to match the lapels?

    I'd appreciate any assistance you could offer on these questions....

  2. Zac Duncan

    Zac Duncan Well-Known Member

    Sep 6, 2012
    Your groomsmen is better to match with your style but no need to have the same white color with you, it'll better if they wear black and you'll stand out

    Ans just stick with a black silk bowtie to match the lapels
  3. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

    Jun 1, 2011
    Washington, DC
    1) it doesn't really matter about the back, just depends if you want to be hotter or cooler. Backless is obviously cooler.

    2) for me, the square studs would be fine.

    3) NO! groomsmen do not need to match you, and should not. just tell them to wear a tuxedo.

    4) black silk bowtie to match lapels
  4. msulinski

    msulinski Senior member

    Apr 3, 2012
    Agreed about the groomsmen. As long as they are wearing proper black tie, they should be fine. Depending on how familiar they are with it, you may need to offer some suggestions (use BlackTieGuide as a reference) so that they don't end up looking like they are going to the prom.
  5. random-adam

    random-adam Senior member

    Nov 14, 2008
    I see the concept of matchy outfits to be a ploy by the combined forces of the polyester industry and the bridal-industrial complex. It's been expressed (maybe by Manton, I can't recall) that ideally, the male portion of a wedding party -- if black tie is specified -- should look like they all happened to decide to wear their tuxedos to the event.

    A mix of cummerbunds and vests would hearken back to the days when men actually owned and used evening wear on a regular basis. I don't see it getting much classier than that.
  6. tangleman

    tangleman New Member

    Oct 11, 2012
    Thanks for all of your help!

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