Turnbull & Asser

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  1. hopkins_student

    hopkins_student Senior member

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    I would think the T&A shirts that are double stitched are the same ones at Neiman Marcus...

    Mine came from the Beverly Hills T&A store.
     
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    Don't forget famous Heeldeetch sales.

    When/where are these famous H&K sales?
     
  3. TCN

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    T&A quality is lousy for what they charge. Similar construction to Pink and Tyrwhitt albeit with slightly nicer fabrics. Also, T&A button attachment is lacking, and if you ever order button-turnback cuffs, they are horrible to fasten (Ascot Chang does a much nicer and cleaner job).

    Another thing worth mentioning is T&A's HORRIBLE customer service. I was a T&A devotee for years (20+ RTW and MTM shirts per year, plus a handful of ties), until the company screwed me out of a tie that I ordered at a Neman's trunk show. It was only one tie, but it's the principle; plus after numerous phone calls and letters to T&A (Andy Gilchrest even tried to help), I got nowhere.

    Ascot Changs are much better shirts for $50 to $75 less retail, and at the same time Nemans does their T&A sale, Saks puts their Hilditches on sale, which blow T&A out of the water, and usually you can find shirts that weren't just clown returns.

    You could say I feel strongly about this. [​IMG]
     
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    When/where are these famous H&K sales?
    In Paris IIRC, you'd have to talk to a certain ex-member to find out exactly. Or maybe RJman or another Freedomphile knows.
     
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    H&K has lengthy twice-yearly Sales by Mail via a catalog (get on their mailing list) or through their rather shoddy website (don't ask me the URL; if you can find this website you can find Hilditch's), or their shops on Jermyn St, Knightsbridge, Sloane Street or rue de Rivoli. Most of the Jermyn Street names do, including Harvie and New & Lingwood, as well as the leech/pretender/zombie names like Pink, Hawes & Curtis and Haines & Bonner which are simply now names with inferior quality at a Jermyn St address. H&K is the quite simply the best RTW in Jermyn St, with the possible exception of Emma Willis, which is another animal. However, cost pressures have caused a rumored move offshore of most production -- as has been the rumored case for all other Jermyn St names except Turnbull and Budd. Saks, Ben Silver and Best of British Shirts all demand British manufacture of their H&K shirts. The rest bear no country of origin tag. There is little difference in quality that I have seen between the alleged foreign-made H&K and the British-made. Hilditch will either deny non-British manufacture up front or give a very vague answer. There is also a rumor that T&A's sale shirts may be made to a somewhat lower standard, but that's unconfirmed. I think Hilditch is better, but T&A (normal) is very good, and offers things Hilditch won't or can't in RTW, as I mentioned above.
     
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    I was at the T&A sale today. I noticed a very small amount of higher thread count shirts that were made in Italy.
    Who makes shirts for T&A in Italy ?
     
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    Re: the buttoning

    My sister laughed at my buttoning all three, becasue she says all her banker friends say you're only supposed to button the outer two, and leave the middle undone. Go figure.
     
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    C&J shoes are also on sale at T&A today. A few handgrades @ $350 (e.g. Whitehall) and benchgrades @$275. 4th floor.
     
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    RJman, I have recently learned that Saks has discontinued its relationship with H&K (or the other way around or mutually). My guess is you can get good deals at Saks on the H&K shirts (and ties) they are clearing out.

    T&A -- at their London sales at the shop on Jermyn and the concession at Harrods, T&A sells sale shirts that are manufactured to a different standard (for the most part). I always wondered why Harrods put basic patterns on sale. Then I learned those shirts are made for the sale. A select few of the shirts on sale at the Jermyn St store are discontinued old stock of first run shirts. I believe the shirts T&A puts on sale in NY are first run; ie, not made for the sale.

    I have always wondered whether H&K makes shirts specifically for their sales. They claim no, but I wonder.
     
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    RJman, I have recently learned that Saks has discontinued its relationship with H&K (or the other way around or mutually). My guess is you can get good deals at Saks on the H&K shirts (and ties) they are clearing out.
    Hm, I wonder if this is the end for Hildeetch.
     
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    Anyone know when the Ascot Chang sale may start?
     
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    Hm, I wonder if this is the end for Hildeetch.

    Do we have any other indicators that Hildeetch is in possible financial distress?
     
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    T&A quality is lousy for what they charge. Similar construction to Pink and Tyrwhitt albeit with slightly nicer fabrics. Also, T&A button attachment is lacking, and if you ever order button-turnback cuffs, they are horrible to fasten (Ascot Chang does a much nicer and cleaner job).

    Another thing worth mentioning is T&A's HORRIBLE customer service. I was a T&A devotee for years (20+ RTW and MTM shirts per year, plus a handful of ties), until the company screwed me out of a tie that I ordered at a Neman's trunk show. It was only one tie, but it's the principle; plus after numerous phone calls and letters to T&A (Andy Gilchrest even tried to help), I got nowhere.

    Ascot Changs are much better shirts for $50 to $75 less retail, and at the same time Nemans does their T&A sale, Saks puts their Hilditches on sale, which blow T&A out of the water, and usually you can find shirts that weren't just clown returns.

    You could say I feel strongly about this. [​IMG]


    I had a similar problem, but with shirts, after being extremely happy with ordering MTM T&A shirts through NM, I decided to try to order them through the NYC store, but despite my phone calls (Andy also tried to help me out), and even going to the store last time I was in NYC, it was all for naught; I can't really complain about their customer service because frankly speaking they don't have any.

    Jon.
     
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    Wait, you mean EVEN Andy was unable to help you out? I understand that when he speaks, the portals of Jermyn Street quake!

    Personally, I think that fabric and quality of the T&A (stock special) shirts that I have exceed that of H&K (just). On the other hand, H&K's sale prices (especially if you buy on-site) are the best bang for the buck in the shirt world, bar none. Their cotton quality is just amazing, but unfortunately their tent-like body sizing, drab colours and measly collars just don't suit me.
     
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    I had a similar problem, but with shirts, after being extremely happy with ordering MTM T&A shirts through NM, I decided to try to order them through the NYC store, but despite my phone calls (Andy also tried to help me out), and even going to the store last time I was in NYC, it was all for naught; I can't really complain about their customer service because frankly speaking they don't have any.

    Jon.


    I twice talked to their US-CFO about the matter, which only confirmed to me that the CFO is the last guy in any organization that you want to talk to about customer service issues. I actually thought about filing a lawsuit and refusing to settle just for $hit$ and giggles.

    They'd better get their act together, as I imagine that they'll only be able to trade on their past glory for so long.
     

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