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Turnbull & Asser

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by royal618, Jun 3, 2006.

  1. royal618

    royal618 Senior member

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    Any comments on quality? Shirt cuts? etc...
     
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    Arguably the finest RTW shirts produced ... have heard others comment that the cut is too full, but my experience has been positive.
     
  3. VMan

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    Quality is average, I'd say on par with Zegna or Lorenzini and the likes. Shell buttons, single needle tailoring, good selection of decent fabrics.

    Definitely not close to Borrelli, Barba, Finamore, Charvet, Kiton, Truzzi, etc. as far as quality, construction, details, and fabrics.

    If you like British shirts I would recommend Hilditch & Key over T&A as they pattern-match better, and the buttons are a little finer grade. They'll have similar bold striped and checked fabrics, ala T&A, though perhaps not to the same degree. Also the prices are lower.
     
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    As far as the cuts go, I've heard mixed responses.

    I have one that fits quite slim, but had two others that were half a size smaller and the chests were probably 4" wider.

    I have heard that the ones made for the T&A stores fit trimmer than ones sold at Neiman Marcus, etc.
     
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    Don't forget famous Heeldeetch sales.
     
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    Quality is average, I'd say on par with Zegna or Lorenzini and the likes. Shell buttons, single needle tailoring, good selection of decent fabrics.

    Are you sure? The two I own are double-needle stitched.
     
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    One of my major concerns with T&A is I find their double cuffs to be too tight for my watch. Granted, it's not a slim Patek Philippe, but it is pretty inconvenient to have to keep pulling the cuff to cover it up. maybe that's why prince charles is always fidgeting with his cuffs?? [​IMG] Also, I'm not a big fan of their "distinctive" collar--the points are a little too long and it looks ridiculous when worn open without a tie. If given the choice, I'd pick Hilditch over T&A--H&K have a beautiful cutaway collar, better construction (IMO) and cost less.
     
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    Are you sure? The two I own are double-needle stitched.

    Perhaps you are correct.

    I just assumed a shirt with that retail price would be single. What's a T&A shirt start at these days? $275? $300?
     
  9. VMan

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    One of my major concerns with T&A is I find their double cuffs to be too tight for my watch. Granted, it's not a slim Patek Philippe, but it is pretty inconvenient to have to keep pulling the cuff to cover it up. maybe that's why prince charles is always fidgeting with his cuffs?? [​IMG]
    Also, I'm not a big fan of their "distinctive" collar--the points are a little too long and it looks ridiculous when worn open without a tie.
    If given the choice, I'd pick Hilditch over T&A--H&K have a beautiful cutaway collar, better construction (IMO) and cost less.


    I also find that the elongated 3-button barrel cuffs are too tight to wear all but the slimmest of watches. I usually have to un-do the button nearest my wrist for a comfortable fit.

    Good call on the H&K. I like the cutaway collars quite a bit. A year or two ago I picked up some nice H&K shirts from the Saks outlet ($195 marked down to $30) to flip on ebay. They were 100% linen, but felt like a linen/cotton blend - thats how fine the fabric was. They were a really wonderful sky blue with white windowpane. Excellent shirt, if not a little blousy.
     
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    Perhaps you are correct.

    I just assumed a shirt with that retail price would be single. What's a T&A shirt start at these days? $275? $300?


    Maybe $250 or $300 at the very bottom end. I think the cheapest bespoke is $325.
     
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    I also find that the elongated 3-button barrel cuffs are too tight to wear all but the slimmest of watches. I usually have to un-do the button nearest my wrist for a comfortable fit.
    They are designed so that only the middle of the three buttons will be buttoned.
     
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    They are designed so that only the middle of the three buttons will be buttoned.

    Interesting, I did not know that.

    I remember seeing some photos - perhaps of John Kerry (I believe he enjoys T&A) - where all three buttons were fastened.
     
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    They are designed so that only the middle of the three buttons will be buttoned.

    Are you sure? I've never heard this before. Every time I've seen them I've seen all three buttoned.
     
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    Lorenzini is probably one of the best RTW machine made shirts around. It is definetely above average.
     
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    They are designed so that only the middle of the three buttons will be buttoned.

    I don't believe that is accurate. I just flipped through my copy of "Turnbull & Asser: The Pedigree and Style of a Very English Institution," which is something of an official history of the firm, and everyone pictured with the 3 button cuff has all three buttons buttoned.
     
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    Lorenzini is probably one of the best RTW machine made shirts around. It is definetely above average.

    Lorenzini shirts also fit like tents.
     
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    So do many shirts from Borrelli and Kiton. That doesn't make them any less of a shirt, at least quality wise.
     
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    Lorenzini shirts also fit like tents.

    I purchased a Lorenzini shirt from Koji on these forums that fit rather trim. At least trimmer than most other shirts one could find. But true, it wasn't as slim as what I needed. At least Lorenzini has rather good construction, and really nice semi-thick (not Borrelli-ish, but good) MOP buttons.

    I think Lorenzini offers a great shirt for the money. Much better than the competition that the price range ($250ish?).

    I believe they make shirts for RLPL. T&A used to make shirts for RLPL if I'm not mistaken.
     
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    Are you sure? The two I own are double-needle stitched.
    Ditto.

    Fabrics and construction are great, but like Turnbull they could house a family of four.
     
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    I would think the T&A shirts that are double stitched are the same ones at Neiman Marcus...
     

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