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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by j, May 7, 2006.

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  1. skalogre

    skalogre Distinguished Member

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    I'm trying to master that praising-and-bumping your own thread thing that has become all the rage in B & S, but I'm too lazy to create another username.

    Well, no worries; at least you got the bumping part down [​IMG]
     


  2. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Stylish Dinosaur

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    Well, no worries; at least you got the bumping part down [​IMG]

    You're just picking on me because I'm white.
     


  3. skalogre

    skalogre Distinguished Member

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    You're just picking on me because I'm white.
    That is soooooo white of you [​IMG]
     


  4. NoVaguy

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    Why?

    why not?

    actually, it just seems fairer to both the buyer and seller's interests. the problem with allowing positive comments but not negative comments is that it unduly tilts the information flow in the seller's advantage. Again, I'm not talking about authenticity issues, just the "monetary value" issues. It seems we're permitting people to say things like "great value" but not "bad value".

    As it is, I don't like the no-disparagement/permitted positive statements rule and it just makes me vaguely feel like I would be ripped off if I participated on the B&S forum.
     


  5. Arethusa

    Arethusa Distinguished Member

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    Seriously, the new no bumping rule is causing far more problems than this ever did. It's what caused the recent raft of fake shill accounts, and it was a heavy handed fix for a problem that never existed. People just don't see threads that get buried, and sporadic bumping every few days worked fine for a long time.
     


  6. drizzt3117

    drizzt3117 Stylish Dinosaur

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    why not?

    actually, it just seems fairer to both the buyer and seller's interests. the problem with allowing positive comments but not negative comments is that it unduly tilts the information flow in the seller's advantage. Again, I'm not talking about authenticity issues, just the "monetary value" issues. It seems we're permitting people to say things like "great value" but not "bad value".

    As it is, I don't like the no-disparagement/permitted positive statements rule and it just makes me vaguely feel like I would be ripped off if I participated on the B&S forum.


    I'm not a fan of this either. I think free discussion is the best policy.
     


  7. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Seriously, the new no bumping rule is causing far more problems than this ever did. It's what caused the recent raft of fake shill accounts, and it was a heavy handed fix for a problem that never existed. People just don't see threads that get buried, and sporadic bumping every few days worked fine for a long time.

    A few bad apples, like they say. In any case, you can still bump if you have something substantive to add to your post, or are doing a price drop, etc...

    In any case, with the rule, the asshats hiding among us are exposed for ridicule and then a banning. Everyone wins. Except the asshats, who are gone anyway [​IMG]
     


  8. DNW

    DNW Stylish Dinosaur

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    A few bad apples, like they say. In any case, you can still bump if you have something substantive to add to your post, or are doing a price drop, etc... In any case, with the rule, the asshats hiding among us are exposed for ridicule and then a banning. Everyone wins. Except the asshats, who are gone anyway [​IMG]
    How about bumping, reasonably? I have a load of stuff for sale, but people can't see my thread after a few hours because it's disappeared into page 2-5. In the mean time, I've sold a few things. So, can I bump it without reducing prices?
     


  9. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    How about bumping, reasonably? I have a load of stuff for sale, but people can't see my thread after a few hours because it's disappeared into page 2-5. In the mean time, I've sold a few things. So, can I bump it without reducing prices?

    I see no problem with that. We encourage threads with multiple items for sale - they offer more content, and clog up the forum less, so I think that a post stating that XYZ items have been sold, and that the original post has been updated to reflect this, would be perfectly acceptable. I would not consider that a gratuitous bump.
     


  10. Bradford

    Bradford Current Events Moderator

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    ... some drivers don't know how to merge...

    Reminds me of the beginning of Less Than Zero, one of my favorite books in college.

     


  11. Matt

    Matt [email protected]

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    Seriously, the new no bumping rule is causing far more problems than this ever did. It's what caused the recent raft of fake shill accounts, and it was a heavy handed fix for a problem that never existed. People just don't see threads that get buried, and sporadic bumping every few days worked fine for a long time.
    from one mod's point of view, the problem I have with B&S is that every time we make a rule that seems to work on 'fair play' (TM), someone comes along n takes advantage of us with it.

    We try to say 'keep the bumps to a minimum' but even now we catch people bumping their threads every morning. Is that 'fair' on other sellers? No, cos then they start bumping too, so then the every morning dudes, switch to bumping every 12 hrs to stay ahead of the pack and so then....et al.

    BTW if you want a little proofpoint that it does bug others, you can take my word for one thing...other sellers report it and report it fast. We get a bunch of 'he is bumping' post reports, almost always from other people selling on the board annoyed that they play by the rules and are sliding on to page 2.

    Then we made the 'only bump it if you have a discount' rule...what did we get? Some dick who dropped his price by a cent. Seriously. You should have seen the dialog "it says reduce your price and I did so how can you lock me...no fair no fair". Ridiculous.

    So then (and as voiced above, I am not in favor of this especially) there is a 'no slandering' rule in place. So what do we get? Dudes registering new addresses just to compliment their own wares and bring them back up to the top. So what's a mod to do?

    It gets annoying, and it kinda sucks that the only way weve been able to maintain "fair" is to just set overly restrictive rules that constrain the honest dudes in order to stop the few bad apples from spoiling the whole orchard.
     


  12. whacked

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    Seriously, the new no bumping rule is causing far more problems than this ever did. It's what caused the recent raft of fake shill accounts, and it was a heavy handed fix for a problem that never existed. People just don't see threads that get buried, and sporadic bumping every few days worked fine for a long time.
    I disagree. People who go out of the way (create new accounts etc.) to shill for their goods would do it anyway. And as LA Guy said, since now the mods are alerted, it makes for good entertainment. [​IMG]

    In any case, with the rule, the asshats hiding among us are exposed for ridicule and then a banning. Everyone wins. Except the asshats, who are gone anyway [​IMG]
     


  13. von Rothbart

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    How about increase the number of threads per page? So threads can stay in first page longer. I've seen some forums with much higher thread counts per page.
     


  14. sjmin209

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    Personally, I wouldn't mind even more severe restrictions & enforcement in the B&S forum. I've recently seen sellers bump their threads with messages like "I'm going to post more items tomorrow," or by posting messages telling someone that they've replied to a PM.

    Two couple ideas that come to mind, neither of which is perfect:

    -Don't allow any responses to posts at all. Questions can be asked and answered by PM; if sellers need to update information, they can use the edit function.

    -Charge for posting in B&S. I believe AAAC has started this recently, in part to reduce spam. If you had to pay for every post in B&S (not just every new thread), I imagine bumping would be reduced; questions could still be handled via PM. Given that B&S is a great service, and far preferable to eBay, I wouldn't mind paying a little to use it.
     


  15. skalogre

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    Personally, I wouldn't mind even more severe restrictions & enforcement in the B&S forum. I've recently seen sellers bump their threads with messages like "I'm going to post more items tomorrow," or by posting messages telling someone that they've replied to a PM.

    Two couple ideas that come to mind, neither of which is perfect:

    -Don't allow any responses to posts at all. Questions can be asked and answered by PM; if sellers need to update information, they can use the edit function.

    -Charge for posting in B&S. I believe AAAC has started this recently, in part to reduce spam. If you had to pay for every post in B&S (not just every new thread), I imagine bumping would be reduced; questions could still be handled via PM. Given that B&S is a great service, and far preferable to eBay, I wouldn't mind paying a little to use it.


    Charging would be a bad idea. Not to derail things but then we might as well have [email protected](-linda? [​IMG] ) rule us with an iron fist. Which he would probably enjoy, the dirty little bugger!

    I am going to go away before he wakes up over there and sees my posts.
     


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