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Tour of Rubinacci workshop / Cappelli atelier -- June 2011

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mafoofan, Jun 13, 2011.

  1. Mr. Moo

    Mr. Moo Senior member

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    In Italy, if you want a discount, just ask the merchant what price he could give you if you paid cash.

    Works like this pretty much everywhere except with "proper" American businesses.
     
  2. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    In Italy, if you want a discount, just ask the merchant what price he could give you if you paid cash.

    A lot of smaller shops only take cash to begin with. I think you can be pretty blunt about negotiating. It's expected.
     
  3. ThinkDerm

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    The language problem should not be underestimated...

    If I can't have a friendly conversation with a tailor, I won't use him...


    so true.
     
  4. ThinkDerm

    ThinkDerm Senior member

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    Mina caters specifically to foreigners, so the thinking doesn't apply to her. As far as other tailors in Naples: well, come on, everything in southern Italy is negotiable. I would not assume the price you get on paper is what local clients are paying. I've received numerous offers from various people over the years to introduce me to their tailors in Naples in order to get a better price.

    Interesting.

    When arranging trip to Naples and contacting different tailors I was told at several places that price is a personal issue and should better be discussed during the meeting. Depending on different reasons, quoted price may be negotiable. In my particular case I got a good deal and received quite a good discount from the initial price.

    BTW, what did Formosa and Pirozzi tell you about their prices?


    this is something that always makes me uncomfortable about having items tailored - the making up of pricing on the spot that is prevalent. especially since most of the time it does not seem to work in my favor...
     
  5. Guero

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    Matt, if I may call you Matt, I just read your review of the Cappelli and Rubinacci ties on your blog. Coincidentally, I purchased ties at both shops last week as well. Your review of the differences in the two was on point. I think you perfectly characterized the shopping experience as well as the differences in construction and feel. Nice job.

    And I couldn't find Cappelli either, but it gave me the opportunity to stumble into Formosa, across the courtyard from Cappelli, and check out some of their wares.
     
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    this is something that always makes me uncomfortable about having items tailored - the making up of pricing on the spot that is prevalent. especially since most of the time it does not seem to work in my favor...

    Do you get a lot of items tailored? I think that, at the end of the day, if you become a repeat customer, the overall price works itself out to be in your favor (considering discounts, items remade/altered for free, freebies thrown in, etc.). This has been my experience with both my shirtmaker and suitmaker.
     
  7. riverrun

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    Not to stir back up the arguments from earlier in this thread, but doesn't Mina use one of Rubie's old head cutters now...
     
  8. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Matt, if I may call you Matt, I just read your review of the Cappelli and Rubinacci ties on your blog. Coincidentally, I purchased ties at both shops last week as well. Your review of the differences in the two was on point. I think you perfectly characterized the shopping experience as well as the differences in construction and feel. Nice job.

    And I couldn't find Cappelli either, but it gave me the opportunity to stumble into Formosa, across the courtyard from Cappelli, and check out some of their wares.


    Glad that your experience matches mine. I am thrilled that I like Cappelli, since I love my Rubinacci ties and have not previously found an alternative. The only issue is picking out silks. Luca visits NYC pretty frequently, and will bring tie swatches upon request. Patrizio, on the other hand, obviously does not travel like that. However, his English is good so it's easy to communicate with him.
     
  9. Manton

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    Mina always has a huge selection of Cappelli silks on her trips to NY. The turnover is extensive because Cappelli often gets little pieces that can make only a few ties.
     
  10. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Mina always has a huge selection of Cappelli silks on her trips to NY. The turnover is extensive because Cappelli often gets little pieces that can make only a few ties.

    Ah, but whose price do you pay when you order through Mina?
     
  11. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Ah, but whose price do you pay when you order through Mina?

    It's a bit more $$ than buying in Naples. At least I think it is. In Naples, I bought only already-made ties. Mina's price is for bespoke, not that I have any extraordinary requirements.
     
  12. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    It's a bit more $$ than buying in Naples. At least I think it is. In Naples, I bought only already-made ties. Mina's price is for bespoke, not that I have any extraordinary requirements.

    Got it. Maybe worthwhile for the streamlined service alone, though.
     
  13. Eustace Tilley

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    I think Mina is 120 euros for the bespoke Cappelli ties. Prob more than Naples but not egregiously so.

    She also has a (very) limited selection of her own wools and silks (under the NSM label) for 100 euros.
     
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    Is Attolini in Naples full bespoke or MTM?

    Attolini offers bespoke Naples, it's pretty similar in pricing like Rubinacci.
    A friend owns several Attolini bespoke suits that were cut by Cesare Attolini personally some years ago; pretty cool as he is over 80 now, if I remember correctly.
     
  16. marcodalondra

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    Via Scarlatti, 69 Napoli

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    The two best coffee are served here (due to the great barristas)

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    Piazza Dante, 86 Napoli
     
  17. mafoofan

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    Starting an overcoat order for this winter. Military-style greatcoat. Vintage tweed, 50-60 years old, ~18 oz. More here.

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    I'm excited. Only 18oz though?
     
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    that looks like what is being made up for me
    the right drawing of mariano
     
  20. Parker

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    Wow, that's some cloth. What is "military-style"? Similar to a trench coat?

    Is the plaid for lining?
     
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