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Topcoats: Am I being impractical here? Have you done this?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by omega4, Feb 8, 2013.

  1. omega4

    omega4 Member

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    Hi all. Here's my question -

    Have any of you bought TWO topcoats / overcoats in the same model but DIFFERENT sizes? If yes, are we being a bit impractical?

    I wear a 38R suit, so I needed a 40R topcoat in this slim fit topcoat model to fit perfectly when wearing a suit jacket. However, this topcoat looks great in casual settings too, but the 40R topcoat doesn't fit as nicely (looks a little full cut) without a suit jacket on. But a 38R topcoat fits perfectly when NO jacket is worn.

    IF this topcoat came in size 39R, I think I could have worn it WITH OR WITHOUT a jacket and it would have looked great in either scenario.

    But this slim fit topcoat only comes in even numbered sizes so now I'm considering getting TWO topcoats.

    Am I being impractical here? Thanks.

    Here is the slim fit topcoat (Chesterfield):
    http://shop.nordstrom.com/S/john-va...extualcategoryid=0&fashionColor=&resultback=0
     
  2. Marc Voorhees

    Marc Voorhees Senior member

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    perhaps not my strongest area, but i believe most people here will tell you that a top coat should only be worn with a jacket.

    that being said, you could possibly buy the larger one and have it tailored a bit to fit closer to a 39
     
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  3. omega4

    omega4 Member

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    Thanks you for your comment.

    Anyone else?
     
  4. Scottyb06

    Scottyb06 Senior member

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    Personally, I'd only wear a topcoat if also wearing a jacket/suit. When not wearing a jacket/suit, I'd wear my peacoat or a non-topcoat. Of course, others may do things differently. Good luck!
     
  5. omega4

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    Thanks! Normally, I'd do the same. I'm just really liking how this topcoat looks with a button down shirt without a suit jacket on, as well as how it looks with a suit jacket on too.
     
  6. Ianiceman

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    I always thought a Chesterfield had a fly front and contrast velvet collar.

    Anyway to your point, the clue's in the name - a top coat is supposed to go over a suit or jacket.

    The suedeheads used to wear fitted Crombie style coats over a Ben Sherman. If your budget allows, why not get say a midnight blue overcoat (vertical pockets to put your hands in) to go over a suit in very cold weather, and a lighter weight herringbone Chesterfield with fitted waist and flapped pockets to go over a shirt in milder weather?
     
  7. omega4

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    My topcoat may not be a Chesterfield technically, but it's similar in style somewhat.

    So your advice is to get two coats then, in a sense, right? One for wearing with a suit on, one for not.
     
  8. Holdfast

    Holdfast Senior member

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    I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with getting coats in two different sizes, depending on whether you intend wearing them with a jacket underneath or not, if you want the same slim look in both iterations.

    However, if you do want to get two differently-sized coats, to fill these two niches, are you absolutely sure you want the same style of coat for both.? Seems more like an opportunity to get two styles of coat, each more specifically suited to its niche.

    If you really, really, really like that coat in both environments, though, then why the hell not get two? My personal suspicion is that future boredom will be staved off by some coat variety, though.
     
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  9. omega4

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    That's what I'm struggling with quite honestly at the moment. It does seem impractical to get the same model topcoat in 2 sizes....
     
  10. omega4

    omega4 Member

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    Here are pics of the sizes 40R and 38R topcoats, with and without suit jackets on. I wore khakis so you could better see the length of the topcoat in relation to its sizes.


    Size 40R topcoat WITH suit jacket on:

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    Size 38R topcoat WITH suit jacket on:

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    Size 40R topcoat WITHOUT suit jacket:

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    Size 38R topcoat WITHOUT suit jacket:

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    This was my inspiration for getting a slim fitting topcoat that looked good with or without a suit jacket on underneath (please don't hate!):

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  11. HansderHund

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    I agree. I enjoy the variety of it all and when I reach for certain ties/jackets/suits that I need to wear for some reason on the weekend, it reminds me of going to work. It's really a small point, and maybe I'm alone in that thought, but I like wearing different clothes outside of the workplace.
     
  12. VinnyMac

    VinnyMac Senior member

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    ...sounds like a stupid idea. If you really believe that there's a sweet-spot between 38 and 40, then why don't you just buy one and have it tailored?
     
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  13. rob

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    Better yet. Have one made.

    Rob
     
  14. Holdfast

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  15. VinnyMac

    VinnyMac Senior member

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    Beyond that, both of those coats fit like shxt, so the actual sweet spot is probably a size or two smaller. He could probably have a mtm made with similar quality and much better fit.
     
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    jrd617 Senior member

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    I have a couple pieces of outerwear that fit well without a jacket, and a couple that fit well with a jacket (more room in the shoulder mainly)
     
  17. omega4

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    Plenty of brands today make coats aimed at being worn without a jacket. I doubt sizing up would work.

    Worse the printed size is only the chest. It doesn't tell you anything about the rest of the coat. I own coats from different brands ranging in EU size for 48 to 52. The 52 coats are the smallest and can only be worn with a sweater :embar:

    Dress how you intend to wear the coat then go into the shop and try it on. Look in mirror. :nodding:

    FWIW from the fit pictures you posted I wouldn't buy either. You need a different cut more then a different size.
     
  19. omega4

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    You all have provided some great, honest advice. Thank you all.

    I'm going to return both topcoats today.
     
  20. GusW

    GusW Senior member

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    I wear a topcoat without a jacket or suit. But it is a soft tailored camel one. I wear it over jeans or cords, a sweater and a scarf. Of course I wear it over a jacket as well.

    One of the most stylish men I've even known used to wear a soft tailored, navy polo coat, without buttons and with a tie belt. I never saw him wear it with a suit. but he did wear it over jackets sometimes. Most often it was with cords or flannels and a cashmere sweater. It was quite an elegant casual statement.
     

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