TOO MUCH PROTEiN???

[ken]

Originally Posted by knucks

When I was on my cut 2 years ago I was consuming 320g or so. I weighed 150lbs.

Did not lose any noticeable muscle mass.

Do you really need to be cutting if you only have 150 lbs of LBM? Are you 5'3"?

 

[ken]

Originally Posted by Eason

Muscle is something like 6 kcal/hr, fat is 2 kcal/hr.

If you put on 10 lbs of muscle (a lot), that will only increase your metabolic rate by 60 kcal a day... hardly anything.

I'm no rocket surgeon, but these numbers seem off.

If the original declaration is in pounds, then an additional 10 lbs. of muscle would increase metabolic rate by 60 kcal per hour, which is 1440 kcal per day, which is hardly hardly anything. Ain't no way I'm maintaining 10 extra pounds on 3/4 cup of Cheerios every day.

 

[adversity04]

Originally Posted by Eason

Haha wow I was about to walk away the first time he replied but I guess people here do care and know what they're talking about.
Some of us do

 

[flyjordan]

So now to shift the direction of this post, I just got off of a diet, where i dropped about 13 lbs in 2 weeks while still lifting. I am now reintroducing complex carbs and sugars into my system. How should my eating be set-up?

For example yesterday it looked like this:
8 am: Protein Shake
10 am: 2 hard boiled eggs & toast
1 pm: cobb salad with chicken
3 pm: veggies, hummus, protein bar
7 pm: post-work out shake
8 pm: chicken and ribs, bread, potato, salad
11 pm: protein shake

My goal here is to gain some of my weight back, but gain it back in lean muscle, not just gain back what i lost, which was mostly water and fat.......

Am I missing anything? Eating too often? Not enough complex carbs?

 

[Gradstudent78]

Originally Posted by ken

I'm no rocket surgeon, but these numbers seem off.

If the original declaration is in pounds, then an additional 10 lbs. of muscle would increase metabolic rate by 60 kcal per hour, which is 1440 kcal per day, which is hardly hardly anything. Ain't no way I'm maintaining 10 extra pounds on 3/4 cup of Cheerios every day.

It should kcal/lbs.

 

[Gradstudent78]

double post

 

[Eason]

Originally Posted by ken

I'm no rocket surgeon, but these numbers seem off. If the original declaration is in pounds, then an additional 10 lbs. of muscle would increase metabolic rate by 60 kcal per hour, which is 1440 kcal per day, which is hardly hardly anything. Ain't no way I'm maintaining 10 extra pounds on 3/4 cup of Cheerios every day.
Haha sorry my mistake in calculation- it isn't per hour, it's just kcal/lb or something- the base numbers I cited are correct, but it's not per hour. If you want I can look up the study later and see exactly what it is, probably per day or something.

 

[drizzt3117]

Originally Posted by flyjordan

So now to shift the direction of this post, I just got off of a diet, where i dropped about 13 lbs in 2 weeks while still lifting. I am now reintroducing complex carbs and sugars into my system. How should my eating be set-up?

For example yesterday it looked like this:
8 am: Protein Shake
10 am: 2 hard boiled eggs & toast
1 pm: cobb salad with chicken
3 pm: veggies, hummus, protein bar
7 pm: post-work out shake
8 pm: chicken and ribs, bread, potato, salad
11 pm: protein shake

My goal here is to gain some of my weight back, but gain it back in lean muscle, not just gain back what i lost, which was mostly water and fat.......

Am I missing anything? Eating too often? Not enough complex carbs?

13 lb in 2 weeks is going to be essentially all water. Assuming your caloric burn is 4k a day, you would have to eat 0 calories a day for 2 weeks to lose 13 lb in 2 weeks. Was the diet you were on CR or low-carb?

In terms of the diet you posted, I would eliminate carbs after 7 PM.

 

[flyjordan]

It was the south beach diet. I did it to support my girl. Basically rabbit food and protein for the past 2 weeks. thats it.

I am confident that it is mostly water, but I can still gain a lot. I used to be a college football player, and I have a big frame. I never have worried about my health or weight, until now. I am getting back into lifting, after about 2 years off, and want to do as much as possible.....

 

[Gradstudent78]

Originally Posted by flyjordan

It was the south beach diet. I did it to support my girl. Basically rabbit food and protein for the past 2 weeks. thats it.

I am confident that it is mostly water, but I can still gain a lot. I used to be a college football player, and I have a big frame. I never have worried about my health or weight, until now. I am getting back into lifting, after about 2 years off, and want to do as much as possible.....

If your worried about your health make sure you lay off the ribs, especially if your sample day was meant to be representative of a typical day.

 

[ken]

Originally Posted by Eason

Haha sorry my mistake in calculation- it isn't per hour, it's just kcal/lb or something- the base numbers I cited are correct, but it's not per hour. If you want I can look up the study later and see exactly what it is, probably per day or something.

Well, then, I don't buy it. I'm about 170 right now; I don't see maintaining 180 just by adding a few extra spoonfuls of cottage cheese.

For example yesterday it looked like this:
8 am: Protein Shake
10 am: 2 hard boiled eggs & toast
1 pm: cobb salad with chicken
3 pm: veggies, hummus, protein bar
7 pm: post-work out shake
8 pm: chicken and ribs, bread, potato, salad
11 pm: protein shake

Like drizz said, 13 lbs is a lot. If you want to gain it back, I'd move the solid meal to 8 am and add about 4 more eggs along with some oatmeal and fruit. Your first meal should be the biggest solid meal of the day. In general, you'll need more food than that to gain that much weight, and you should probably replace some of the supplement (the bar and shakes) with whole foods. Eat meals containing protein+carbs or protein+fat to stay lean.

 

[drizzt3117]

Originally Posted by flyjordan

It was the south beach diet. I did it to support my girl. Basically rabbit food and protein for the past 2 weeks. thats it.

I am confident that it is mostly water, but I can still gain a lot. I used to be a college football player, and I have a big frame. I never have worried about my health or weight, until now. I am getting back into lifting, after about 2 years off, and want to do as much as possible.....

What is your height and weight currently?

 

[Viktri]

Originally Posted by ken

Do you really need to be cutting if you only have 150 lbs of LBM? Are you 5'3"?

yes =P, some short people do need to cut
At 5 ft 6, I'm around 153 mark but I don't have a six pack
I figure by the time I hit 140, I'll have a six pack ( might be too much loss but i'll stop whenever I get my six pack)

 

[Eason]

Originally Posted by ken

Well, then, I don't buy it. I'm about 170 right now; I don't see maintaining 180 just by adding a few extra spoonfuls of cottage cheese.



It's significantly more complicated than that, but if you want to maintain your muscle/fat at a decent ratio, you're going to have to be working out at least twice a week, and eating more to make up for the kcal expenditures of working out to start.

 

[flyjordan]

Currently 6'3" 202, with 7 % body fat