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Tom Ford, Gucci suits made by Zegna?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by AMG1, Sep 19, 2012.

  1. Nicola

    Nicola Senior member

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    That's correct.
     
  2. Stugotes

    Stugotes Senior member

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    When I asked the people at a Zegna store if they could make me a MTM suit with Tom Ford styling (which I knew they theoretically could), they were afraid they couldn't. When I asked if they could make me a suit with TF fabric at least, they were afraid they couldn't either.
     
  3. jeff13007

    jeff13007 Senior member

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    The patterns and fabrics are exclusive to certain brands. Theoretically you could walk in to Zegna and ask for a MTM wide lapel single breasted 3 piece suit but it won't have certain things like the A&S inspired shoulder seam and the milanese lapel button hole, and you could probably get fabrics similar to what TF uses but not the exact one.
     
  4. Stugotes

    Stugotes Senior member

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    Yep, that was my point. A lot of characteristics are exclusive to TF and finding a substitute can be hard.
     
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    Are you sure you're not thinking of Loro Piana? Zegna has always been a big producer of suits whereas Loro Piana was (and still remains) a large textile manufacturer.
     
  6. Stugotes

    Stugotes Senior member

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    No, Zegna was founded in 1910 as a textile operation, but only started to make clothing in the late 60s.

    They still are a big player in textiles.
     
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  7. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    my pleasure! :cheers:


    i wonder if there are contractual issues preventing them from saying that they can make you TF style stuff? as well, whatever fabrics they designate for TF stuff, i am sure for all kinds of proprietary reasons, they can not use for themselves. TF undoubtedly wants their stuff separate, and distinguishable from the zegna line.

    btw, your username is awesome. :slayer:


    in short, yup, i am sure. stugotes has the details above.

    as a matter of fact, they even present yearly awards for top fabrics that have been sourced around the world each year.

    also, LP has also ventured into finished garments, too. even have their own boutiques.
     
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  8. othertravel

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    St. Andrews makes LP suits, correct?
     
  9. Stugotes

    Stugotes Senior member

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    Yes, that's what I was thinking, too. Walking into a TF boutique and ordering a MTM suit should trigger an order in the same Couture factory that would receive an order from a Zegna store.

    Quote: Hah, thanks! I obviously misspelled it upon registering, though [​IMG]
     
  10. jeff13007

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    Not quite the same as all mainline Zegna as some of it(mainline zegna) is made in spain as well. When i did mine at TF the order was sent to the factory on the border of Italy and Switzerland, depending on which side it is made determines the "made in italy" or "made in switzerland" label on the suit. You can however request that it be made on the Italian side of the factory if you are picky, but i really didn't care since its the same factory and the same people just across the borderline.

    Edit: i just reread your post and realized we were saying the exact same thing. Even though its the "same standard" as Zegna Couture I'm not sure if its the same factory, as i have yet to see a Zegna Couture with a "Made in switzerland" tag, unless the TF section is the only one crossing the border. Also Zegna couture has handmade buttonholes but TF does not
     
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  11. Stugotes

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    I suppose both TF ready-to-wear and MTM are made in the Couture factory (as is Zegna Couture, of course, and some of the main line(?)). Does anyone know for sure? My TF suit says Italy in the jacket and Switzerland in the pants, by the way.
     
  12. chocsosa

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    so I guess on a scale of 1-10, 1 being poor and 10 being awesome where does Zegna mainline stand in relation to other mass produced labels and where does Tom Ford Lie?
     
  13. othertravel

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    JeffreyD talked about how Caruso has different sections in their factory for different types of garments. Machine-made garments would be made in one section, while the handmade stuff (RLPL) is in another. I assume Zegna is set up this way too.

    I think Caruso and Zegna are the most comparable in that they have their own labels and produce for other companies as well.
     
  14. othertravel

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    I've read that Zegna mainline isn't that great. It's fully canvassed and has decent fabrics alot of the time, but isn't it also completely machine made? Can someone confirm/refute this?

    Also, 1-10 scale might be a little tough since there are so many brands. I'd put mainline on par with Pal Zileri and Corneliani. Tom Ford would definitely be at the high end (comparable to RLPL, Zegna Couture, Brioni).
     
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    Good indeed, hanging low and to the left :)
    Good to hear from you Stichy ;)

    Your info is sound, the diff between Couture and Mainline is in price, not so much in overall quality. The fabric is slightly better on Couture but I have handled some Mainline stuff that is equally as nice. Difference between two lines as you pointed out is basically in the eye of the beholder - Couture have hand made button holes, Mainline does not. Otherwise both machine made but whatever people want to think, they are both wonderful suits and I would have no trouble packing my wardrobe with them. It seems you have packed your wardrobe with Zegna - a man of good taste :nodding:



    Mainline 7 to 8
    Tom Ford 8 to 9 (same goes for Couture)
    Kiton 9 to 10

    Based on RTW. If going by some bespoke standards, would need to adjust the scale.
     
  16. in stitches

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    lolz, no worries. its just as awesome.


    this has been discussed many times before i am pretty sure. and there are lots of opinions. even within mainline people have found varying quality levels, but on he whole i find the mainline stuff to be fantastic. trofeo and non. i have handled and owned some RLPL and kiton, and brioni ..... and the zegnas i have had are pretty damn close in not equal in some cases. i give them a solid 8, maybe even a 9 on some garments. my cashmere top coat in particular. its unreal.

    never had TF, but peeps here seem to say its the shiznit. most say 10 i think.


    see above. i disagree, i have and have had a ton of their stuff, and i think their mainline is great. also i do not think its entirely machine made, but if so, i want that machine. im sure there is handwork for some or more things. at least on what i own, and my tailors opinion. certainly not entirely handmade, but i dont think that is a huge deal.

    i find it to be a step above zileri ime. i have never had corneliani besides for ties so i cant really say. but in my mind, the zegna is generally a step above
     
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    glad you are doing well, always nice to check in! :cheers:


    and yes, i have packed a good amount of zegna in my closet. i like to think it is of good taste. :)
     
  18. jeff13007

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    Just found this quote from this thread
    http://www.styleforum.net/t/9128/zegna-napoli-find-at-barneys

    So i guess they are made in the same factory as Zegna Couture
     
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    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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