TOJ - updates on the debacle, complaints, news about other ventures, whatever.

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by impolyt_one, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. notwithit

    notwithit Pullup laureate

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    I love zipped boots, but I'm 100% on board with the rest of what you're saying.

    Also, recognition that some of us have painfully high arches would be very, very much appreciated.* :)


    * As in, leaving some clearance at the top of the instep before tapering into the toebox. I can add an insole if I need more support in the footbed.
     


  2. Rambo

    Rambo Senior member

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    +1. AM TOO SWOLE FROM CROSSFIT, BRO. (Hi Chuck!)


    This thread is going to go off the fucking rails in a HURRY.
     


  3. gettoasty

    gettoasty Senior member

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    lol! didn't see the foot comment. omg i would hate that
    that will probably be expected though i think it is fair to say that Drew's sizing would be more than sufficient in helping people size footwear if that comes to be

    but that comment is still great.
     


  4. Vaio

    Vaio Senior member

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    If Drew could create ankle boots similar to the MMM side zips that synth has...(the ones in that light brownish color)
     


  5. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    There are gothninja (and don't yakitori me for using that term, I am using it in jest... and after all, the term originated right here on styleforum many years ago) items that will probably endure the test of time better than others, but if you looked at them, you would say they are outliers from their lines or the aesthetic anyway. For example, there are old Rick MA-1's that would be great now and later, there are a few old Julius things here and there that are fun, some of the boots with more natural finishes and not the speckled/blistered/flaming finishes might have some mileage in them.... but there are multiple examples of overdone, over-processed, exaggerated items that are done. Will you want to wear a Rick gradient in 2014 when everybody else is wearing a watered-down white mountaineering'ish look? How about the Julius leather i have - it's awesome quality and all, but the thing looks old in a bad way. That overwashed leather, the excessive zippers and fasteners that don't function - these motifs are done, this black/grey/white/rust deconstructed expensive clothes thing has run its course. It's clearly not in the style vernacular today like it was up til 3 years ago.
     


  6. wj4

    wj4 Senior member

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    +1.

    I was thinking along the line of the current leather jacket price, or around $100-200 more for a high quality pair of footwear.

    And ToJ doesn't have sales so unlike other brands, you're not going to catch them on Yoox and other similar sites.
     


  7. Synthese

    Synthese Darth Millennial Dubiously Honored

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    So is it the tacking-on of washes and finishes, mostly? Or the exaggerated shapes? Like, I can picture a Rick Pilot in an unwashed, supple lamb leather and it looks pretty stable in my mind's eye.
     


  8. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    The TOJ shoes won't have to be $8-900, definitely not. That's a helluva lot of money. But they aren't gonna come in under $300, for sure. Made in Japan costs more than that these days. The maker I'm looking at makes shoes for CDG, among a lot of others, which sell at DSM, Tres Bien Shop, etc. The quality will be good - they just won't be a collaboration double-price/double-name deal that you're used to buying these days.... which is a good thing, IMO.
     


  9. TACO_FLAVORED_KISSES

    TACO_FLAVORED_KISSES Senior member

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    VTG side zips or any VTG boots
     


  10. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    well, both - but that is exactly what fashion design is, constant remixing. We might invent new fabrics here and there, but the technologies are mostly the same as they have been for hundreds of years - take needle and thread to cloth, sew to keep form - and not only that, we demand old-fashioned style clothes that keep us in the same brackets of technology. Sure, there are automation innovations, and new methods of workflow, material processing, etc, but clothing in your hands - it's just part of the spinning world and the fleeting scents that we get occasionally, time and time again. Much like there is no OneFood and you will not want to eat the same dessert at every meal for the rest of your life, change in clothing is much the same....
     


  11. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    Whatever this recession has created, there are some good things, IMO - the monochrome expensive clothes thing is being replaced by expensive outdoors/work/trad/etc clothing, but the bar for quality just rose immensely with the latter style. The .8mm Rick lambskin jackets and slik/cotton tees, the crepe-soled Dunks, you guys don't even need to worry about the style of those things lasting, because the items won't. This new-age Americana shit though, the quality is pretty fucking good if you pay for it, you can wear that stuff hard and not worry so much. It'll be there in a few years probably.

    I don't have a hard-on for all-out Americana so much, but I admire the quality and the revival of craftsmanship at that level and interest at this big of a level. I have a dream board of sorts that I'm putting items I want to make on, and the shoes are on there now, the sunglasses are on there. etc.
     


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    Footwear sounds fun! I'd make ToJ sidezips my shoe purchase of 2012.
     
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  13. BEAR JEW

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    Long overdue pics of quilted DR in dark royal blue calf:

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    thoughts on the hiking boot trend? I felt this was jumping the shark on the americana/hipster-with-a-fancy-axe thing but feit's ox blood version impressed
     


  15. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    I just need to find out what the minimum looks like, what kind of cost i am looking at, etc. I have a slight idea, but nothing certain. Clearly though, I am looking towards taking TOJ in a much bigger direction soon. I have decided upon that. There are things I want to make and bring to you guys that I can't in the current small home, so it's clear we've outgrown it.... and being in Japan and researching my leads and assessing what can be done that couldn't before in Korea has opened up opportunities to bring quality product in more areas than just the outerwear I was doing before, so that is also motive- it is a chance.

    I have always wanted to make shoes, other clothes, accessories - in Korea I think the manufacture in the factories was at a decent level, but the raw materials available just weren't up to snuff, I am looking for special things. It all has to come together at once, or I don't want to do it. So before, we didn't make them because that wasn't happening, but now there are new doors being opened here. The leathers in Korea are a great thing. I will continue them. They are a mix of price and quality, plus the manufacturing flexibility we get when working with such a small group of workers. The TOJ clothes will be a mix of different countries of origin probably, I will select each based on the quality alone. The price will be considered, but not primary to the decision.
     


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