TOJ - updates on the debacle, complaints, news about other ventures, whatever.

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by impolyt_one, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. TACO_FLAVORED_KISSES

    TACO_FLAVORED_KISSES Senior member

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    kop a bomber instead.
     


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    2balls,

    Looks really good, how did you size that?
     


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    ^
    What were your measurements? I have a sz 50 dr with a 48 mid and I think 47 waist and it fits pretty much perfect 'extreme v taper' or not. I have a 42 chest 32 waist. This is in response to the dr/moto not for husky dudes comment above.
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  6. Nereis

    Nereis Senior member

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    I too have a 42inch chest and a 32inch waist at 5'10'' and I wouldn't call myself anywhere near husky. I took a shortened stock 48. But a 45inch chest is definitely approaching husky at around 6 feet. It can look ok if it's just your natural body shape (bone structure) but for guys that train that much it can throw the whole look off. Maybe its just the pictures he's given us, but the upper arms are definitely off. If you sized it based on the anticipation of your arms growing out massively in the next year, it will take you a long time to get a decent fit.
     


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    I'm 6 foot slim non-athletic body 32 waist

    wanted a slim fitted so I went with a 47 base and 48 body length
     


  8. malakas

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    So sadly, although most of the jacket is perfect, I am really pretty disappointed that I still haven't managed to get the fitted look I wanted. I really wanted something broad enough to fit my chest, but that would still taper into my waist - and this jacket doesn't do that (why keep fit if you can't show it off!).

    Is it possible to get the waist on these jackets taken in without too much risk/cost/expense? Because other than the waist/mid-section I think it's great.


    i have had a couple jackets altered, from having them taken in, to drastic alterations like shortening the length

    i had a leather tailor do the job and was very happy with the results
     


  9. Grug

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    Well a quick update:

    A couple of hours after I'd collected the jacket and determined that I really wasn't happy with the fit around my waste, I decided to take it to a clothing alteration store and see if they thought anything could be done with it. The lady there thought the jacket was simply too nice for her to have a go at, so she recommended me an old European leather tailor a few kilometres away who specialises in altering leather jackets.

    I swung by his place, and after a bit of sweet-talking (he was also hesitant to cut up such a nice jacket) managed to get him to take the jacket to try and pull in the mid-section/waist a bit.

    I briefly contemplated trying to sell the jacket and simply reorder another one, but figured I'd take a substantially bigger hit from that than simply getting it modified.

    Given the 7 year odyssey that has gone into finding this jacket, at this stage I'm not too mad about having to spend another $80-100 to fix the issue - I simply want the jacket to be 'just right'.

    Well its pretty clear why the jacket doesn't taper much then... its right there in the measurements

    A couple of days after I ordered it, I looked over the measurements again and noticed that the waist measurements for the jacket weren't far off the chest measurements. Not knowing much about clothes though, and having given my waist/mid-section measurements, I assumed that they'd follow the fit of most of the Motos I've seen (i.e. fairly slim fitting).

    In hindsight, it was a stupid assumption - and that's precisely what you have to look out for ordering something like this sight-unseen.

    that is a good fit IMO, go back and look at the first three pics of him wearing it normally, and tell me it looks out of balance. The pictures and guidelines that Grug provided me were that he was X tall, athletic,

    and he provided me a picture of him wearing a leather biker jacket he owns that fits similarly, that is a bit short in length, which we based it on and adjusted. It fits as it was supposed to.


    Drew, fit-wise I consider everything PERFECT with the exception of the waist/mid-section.

    I'm not sure if the measurements you put for the waist of the jacket were based around the standard proportional measurements you use for a 45" chest, I was just quite surprised by how far off they were compared to my other measurements (chest, arms, shoulders, length) which were all spot on.

    The jacket is precisely what I ordered, so I have no one to blame but myself there. It's just that my own ignorance led me to overlook double-checking the waist measurements with you - which is something I now regret considerably.

    I also just want to state that I mean no offence by any of this commentary, I post it here simply in the hope that it might help other's like me who are keen on the jackets, to get theirs just right.

    The one thing I can say with complete certainty is that I'm utterly sold on the quality of the jacket. It's beautifully made, the leather is superb and it's precisely the style I've been looking for. It's certainly confirmed for me that I'll be adding a Minimalist DR to the collection as soon as my funds allow it [​IMG] and now that I have (albeit through more painful means than I would have liked) a better understanding of the sizing/measurements for the jackets, I know that the MDR will be spot on.

    I think it looks OK in the arms and that crease will probably work itself out. As an honest mistake no biggie but if you intentionally added volume for teh massive biceps to come, [​IMG]

    The arm sizing is quite intentional. It's not for some aspirational arm width I've always wanted, but rather for the size my arms have been for years (prior to a neck injury keeping me out of the gym for the past 2 years). Muscle memory should see to the sleeves filling out pretty quickly now that I'm training again.

    The bottom opening is pretty large compared to what we usually see, but you say specified 21.3" for a 34" waist so that's not too surprising. I would be interested in whether the waist can be taken in, that seems like one of the few alterations that might be possible. Not necessary though, it's still a huge improvement and looks good overall.

    The waist measurement was the one measurement I (stupidly) didn't go over specifically with Drew. So I just went with the initial width he recommended. The guy I've taken the jacket to is going to take what he (safely) can out of the sides. So fingers crossed that turns out well - even if it just takes a couple of inches of loose slack out of the mid-section I think I'll be happy.

    Yeah that jacket looks great, def. no need to flip and reorder
    Only part that looks off is the huge upper arms, but apparently that was intended
    I don't like when jackets fit slimmer than someone's hips, looks curvy and weird, this cut has a good overall shape to the body


    Well I have huge child-bearing hips so that's always going to be an issue [​IMG] but if the alterations can just get rid of the looseness around the middle, that should get things pretty much right.

    I too have a 42inch chest and a 32inch waist at 5'10'' and I wouldn't call myself anywhere near husky. I took a shortened stock 48. But a 45inch chest is definitely approaching husky at around 6 feet. It can look ok if it's just your natural body shape (bone structure) but for guys that train that much it can throw the whole look off. Maybe its just the pictures he's given us, but the upper arms are definitely off. If you sized it based on the anticipation of your arms growing out massively in the next year, it will take you a long time to get a decent fit.

    Again, not too worried about the arms, they don't need to be 'built up' so much as filled back out to their previous size (which never takes too long).

    i have had a couple jackets altered, from having them taken in, to drastic alterations like shortening the length

    i had a leather tailor do the job and was very happy with the results


    I have fingers firmly crossed for this leather tailor I've dropped the jacket off with, he's been making leather jackets for 35 years apparently, and certainly seemed to have a good idea of what he was doing.

    Though he did say the complexity of the construction and the quality of the jacket would limit the amount of alteration he could do.

    He was also quite interested to know where the lamb comes from Drew. His guess was England (which he said was where he always got his best lamb leather from in the past).
     


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    I think the lamb is New Zealand.
     


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    ^Yeah, I think so too.

    Grug, the jacket looks great on you - makes me want to get a new moto.
     


  12. impolyt_one

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    The lamb is from NZ. If Grug gets his jacket taken in, I'm curious as to what else his tailor will say, let us know. The real work of the jackets is all inside, under the lining. They can be taken in pretty easily, but you do have to be a decent tailor to take the lining out.
     


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    And this correlates to the question of 'old man' how?

    I have 2 tan colored items from ToJ, my whiskey bomber and a camel peacoat, which are both lovely pieces.

    Anything can be 'old man' if it's ill fitting...bomber jackets, dress shirts, etc.

    Whiskey is more of a brown....
    So is this tan a dark shade or light for harrington?
     


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    Keep us posted Grug! I'm thinking of tailoring mine as well versus flipping it. No bites yet so I'll stop by a leather expert.

    Anyone know of a good one in San Francisco?
     


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