Hmm. Yes, I understand quite well that slim anything is going to restrict mobility. Actually, the notion I was going for was that high armholes are good and provide mobility. Meaning that the bottom of the sleeve opening in the body of the jacket is relativley high and allows the sleeve to move upward to a relatively higher degree before the arm starts to pull the body of the jacket upwards with the arm. To illustrate the effect of low armholes imagine you were wearing a perfectly cut bespoke suit and then proceeded to staple the bottom of the arm to the side of the suit body 1 or 2 inches below the armpit, then tried to move your arms. Apparently many manufacturers cut jackets with low-hanging armholes in order to accomodate the largest prospective customer of a RTW line. Their logic being, "the small man won't notice that the armhole is so low until he raises his arms, but the large man would immediately notice uncomfortable tightness in the armpit if it were too high and not buy the jacket." I was inquiring as to where you or the public thinks TOJ products generally line up in the spectrum of armhole height. Thanks. edit: observe this poor chap, lol. Kind of looks like my peacoat, but more extreme. http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...armholes-1.jpg To that, I think (and this is broad, because I've produced so many things in so many sizes, that everybody's experience is gonna be different) TOJ stuff generally has high armholes. The point is fairly moot since we MTM a good chunk of the line, and you may specify your requirements. The original TOJ0 jacket that was the genesis of this thing, that was admittedly very tight fitting and had very small arm scyes, I know because I spent all summer sweating in my kitchen, cutting the patterns for each on my kitchen table. Pattern cutting-wise, you can move the arm scye in towards the body on the horizontal plane, and that will take away from the chest/lower shoulder area (and across the shoulder blades on the back) or you can make very low armholes with a very shallow curve. Both ways would achieve a given arm scye circumference, as you can see, but there is a balance of numbers that needs to be achieved on the front and back panels as well. Italian camiccia tend to have these tubular sleeves with higher armholes, American shirts have these lower armholes and have wider sleeves, it's kind of like that. The newer stuff, the outers, I have indeed widened the armholes to the point that I've not had anyone come back and say they were too high, in contrast with a few really skinny guys who said they were too wide, so it appears to me I've moved towards the middle of the road there. TOJ is still generally on the slim-sleeve high-armhole side of the spectrum though, definitely. You can't get the kind of fit we produce otherwise.