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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by impolyt_one, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. FatCatPhil

    FatCatPhil Senior member

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    I've tried contacting Paypal's client services over the phone (from France) and was told that not only had I exceeded the time limit to do anything (she was relatively awed by how much), but also their insurance actually don't cover MTM stuff for no reason. That made me laugh.
    My bank said there were no insurance for stuff purchased but advised on pressing charges. I'm starting to fantasize about a worldwide interpol detail, but that was quickly dismissed by the harsch reality of finding a cop in Paris that speaks English.
     
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  2. Rommel

    Rommel Senior member

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    Same response from Paypal and my bank here in Canada.

    Paypal did say they there is protection for MTO/MTM items that was recently added to their policies, however it's only 180 days. They did say they're aware of the situation and have taken a "long, hard look at this individual" but couldn't disclose any more information than that.

    Also, funded with my bank account and the bank couldn't do anything because it was outside the dispute time frame which is only 30 days (or might have been 45 days) for debit transactions.
     
  3. Melbush

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    So there are about 500 orders that will remain unfulfilled, let's say people sent in average 800$, it means his scam is worth 400,000$. And everyone is powerless. That's beyond belief.
     
  4. SuperFamicom

    SuperFamicom Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, it's fucked, and we got fucked and Drew doesn't give a fuck, as has been painfully obvious for about a year now. I've tried everything I reasonably can to recover my lost money and have been denied each time by PayPal and my card company alike. Having zero knowledge of law and legal affairs I feel like I have nothing I can concretely use to get back at this guy and I'm sure a lot of us feel that way.

    I'm out money but this will be a stark lesson for me to be more discerning of how and where I spend my cash in the future. It goes without saying that next time I'm overcome with vanity and need to buy some MTM internet nerd bullshit I'll think twice about it.

    Still here if something comes up and there's anything I can do to help. I'll be trying at least a few more times in regards to chargebacks and other avenues of pursuing my lost funds.
     
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  5. Gruff

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    Not powerless. More like Drew is benefiting from a diffusion of responsibility. Some people are still waiting for their jackets, others are pursuing legal action, others are conducting an awareness campaign (read: Facebook spamming) and a minority just want to kick his ass.

    Unfortunately, this makes it hard for 500 people to speak with a collective voice and move ahead with an agreed-upon plan.
     
  6. venividivicibj

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    Acceptance is the first step.
     
  7. poopoo88

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    Firstly, I really hope legal action is still underway -- at this point, it is our only option, IMO. Chargebacks and PayPal disputes have too damn low success rates, and a lot of us were screwed because we funded from our bank accounts. To whoever is/was taking on the legal route, I (and I'm certain many of us) greatly appreciate your efforts. If the rumors about Drew starting a new restaurant are true, then we need to act now. Drew absolutely should not be starting another restaurant, not until he has fulfilled all orders, even if he is trying to earn back the funds required to finish the remainder of the orders. Drew has proven time and time again to have extremely poor judgment and decision-making capabilities. We already made one mistake by trusting him with our money -- let's not make another mistake by waiting passively and hoping for our jackets to come. They won't (at least not at any reasonable rate, especially if he's funding a new restaurant). We need to get our money back ASAP.

    We were extremely riled up several months back after Charly revealed the important information, but that energy is pretty much gone now. I really hope we can revive that energy and maybe, just maybe, our collective effort will accomplish something. We should, at least, not be passive, considering that Drew has essentially "stolen" our hard-earned money.
     
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  8. althanis

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    Anyone in Korea able to go down there and ask him a few questions? I went through catail's Instagram and it doesn't look like there are pics of him.
     
  9. marvin100

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    Maybe--what would I ask if I were to go to Sam's and see him?
     
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  10. venividivicibj

    venividivicibj Senior member

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    Ask him where the money at. Start taking the silverware and tables.
     
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  11. marvin100

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    Haha nah. I'm not going to confront the dude (and I'm not personally a victim). I just live in Seoul and am following this stuff a bit out of curiosity.
     
  12. Two Shoes

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    I've said it before- there are options. You may feel powerless but it's partially because everybody is so diffused (as somebody else pointed out) and, frankly, because most people are not comfortable using their own power or even aware of it.

    You can contact your bank. You can contact your credit card company. You can contact paypal. You can contact local government and authorities (has anybody even tried to contact the police in Seoul?). You can contact the media. You may hear a lot of "no"s in the beginning but that's ok. Because it's all about momentum. The more times you contact them and the more people that contact them, the more those "no"s will soften. Make noise. Somebody else mentioned that Paypal is aware of the situation but can't disclose more about it. That's progress. They are now aware of it, possibly on a company-wide scale. The number of people and the amount of money involved here is no joke.

    Of course, you gotta consider whether it's all worth it to you or not. For me, it wouldn't even be about the money, it would be about making sure Drew doesn't get away with it. Which is why I'm even remotely invested in this, with no other skin in the game.
     
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  13. SuperFamicom

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    Filing a report with the police in Seoul might be worth a shot. I don't personally believe much will come of it and there may be a lot of "no"s as you say but it's better than taking the dick laying down like a bitch. Is there anyone in Seoul who is willing to make local authorities there aware of this? I don't speak Korean or I'd just do it myself.

    I'll be speaking to PayPal again later on today but I'm not banking on it being any different than before.
     
  14. MickeyPunch

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    OK I'm tired of this. Legal stuff can be more complicated but why don't we go ahead and ask the journalist to publish the story. At this point I've lost all hope so I don't care anymore what Drew thinks of that or any "nuclear option".
     
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  15. Gruff

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    English is a global language. I'm pretty sure you could find a South Korean cop you could speak with.
     
  16. iamacyborg

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    Just as an aside, no they won't have sent an email company-wide to look out for Drew, it'll just be something on his record in their CRM tool.
     
  17. nahneun

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    You are seriously overestimate English usage in Asia. Most Korean rank-and-file cops (and yes, this is who you'll deal with for a scam of this scale in Korea) will not even be able to hold a conversation using elementary school level English. Your best bet is to find someone bilingual to act as a translator. Again though, logistically, it will be very difficult to get anything moving unless you actually have a physical presence in Korea.
     
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  18. Gruff

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    Well, true. I was just thinking back to time spent in Taiwan, where it seemed like most people spoke English, albeit at wildly varying levels of proficiency. I defer to your experience with Korea, though.
     
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    Where were you? Taiwan's not particularly English-literate especially when compared to Shanghai or Tokyo. People in high-ranking local high schools tend to be fairly competent, but that's true for most Asian countries.
     
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    It is very unlikely that anyone who went to a good high school or an international school will be working as a police officer in Korea. Unless they're doing it as part of their military service.
     
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