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TOJ - updates on the debacle, complaints, news about other ventures, whatever.

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by impolyt_one, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. mrchariybrown

    mrchariybrown Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    Anyways, I need to go to sleep to wake up for my real job (that also doesn't pay well).

    I'll try to answer a few emails tomorrow if my head is on straight.
     
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  2. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    If it's anything like making weight for a fight, it absolutely sucks. I really admire the self restraint of the UFC level fighters who have to get on a plane to travel, and then do public appearances during the time they are cutting weight.
     
  3. misterswag

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    Yo I get Charly is doing it for free so I'm sorry to have pissed him off. Wasn't my point but it appears my tirade was directed at you(Charly)

    Best of luck. And here's to hoping feb reigns in jackets and bags for everyone.
     
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  4. Newo

    Newo Senior member

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    Halo got you a little cranky?
     
  5. Notreknip

    Notreknip Senior member

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    But why isn't Charly getting paid? That still seems ridiculous to me. Is he not doing a job that needs to be done?!

    (No snark, honest question.)
     
  6. MauriSSio

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    there's been zero explanation as to why production essentially stopped.
     
  7. Raindrop

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    No way, thought it was polyfil.
     
  8. brad-t

    brad-t Senior member

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    very obvious misterswag is not criticizing charly, would require willful misreading to interpret it as such
     
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  9. Spaghettimatt

    Spaghettimatt Senior member

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    My best guess is that TOJ staff (Charly and Dan) get a cut of every TOJ jacket order that comes in. So if all the orders finished up back in June 2014, theoretically staff wouldn't be paid thereafter. But obviously the work is not even close to being done... for whatever reason.

    Just personal speculation though.
     
  10. Dbear

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    Let's pretend we are Drew for a second.

    Why would Drew need to hire someone to do emails when all there needs to do is for the shipping guy (the role that Dan used to play) to look up addresses and ship product?

    Charly can't tell you when you're getting your stuff.
    Charly can't give you a refund.
    Charly can't sell your spot.
    Charly doesn't respond to you.
    Charly doesn't give confirmations.

    So, what exactly does he do for you?

    Sizing advice? That's long over.
     
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  11. Spaghettimatt

    Spaghettimatt Senior member

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    Are we pretty sure that Dan is no longer working for TOJ at this point? I hadn't heard that floated before... but it seems from Drew's recent updates that he is doing all of the shipping, etc.

    I don't really buy the shit about Drew diverting TOJ funds into the restaurant, but I can imagine that he is now the only person doing the work in SK and really, truly, does not have time to do two 10+ hour/day jobs.
     
  12. brad-t

    brad-t Senior member

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    Facilitate order changes, basically.
     
  13. Dbear

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    Yea im just playing devils advocate here, from drews perspective.

    How does paying someone to let people change their orders a year and a half down the line really do anything for him from a business perspective? Its money out of the pocket, extra work, and can lead to mistakes. Its easier to just take the stance of no changes and also no refunds
     
  14. Spaghettimatt

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    Truth. But he hasn't taken either of those stances publicly I think.
     
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  16. Journeyman

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    I may well be wrong, but I don't think that ToJ should be a 10+ hour/day job.

    I remember reading that he sourced special leather for some jobs but, in general, Drew should simply be able to amass the orders that he has received and then pass them on to the various places that are making the jackets, presumably in some sort of spreadsheet format. Some time goes by, he gets the jacket back, he checks it off against his spreadsheet, he checks the mailing address, he packs it in a box, takes it to the post office and posts it off. He then sends an e-mail with shipping information.

    If things were set up properly, he should be able to do all that in a few hours in one day or, at the most, in one day a week. It doesn't take much effort to pack stuff in boxes, take it to the post office, send it off and then send out e-mails with shipping info. The worst parts would be putting the boxes into his car, unpacking them at the post office, and filling out the postal slips.
     
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    i remember charlie saying answering emails was a 16+ hours email a job cuz everybody kept emailing with retarded ass questions or changing measurements by 0.25 inches only to change it back
     
  18. reallypeacedoff

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    Definitely poly-fil.
     
  19. Journeyman

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    Of course, if Drew had got his act together and actually made the jackets in good time, Charlie wouldn't be wasting his time dealing with large amounts of e-mails from anxious, obsessive customers.
     
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    LULZ @ thinking they filled a leather jacket with down. Facepalm.
     

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