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TOJ - updates on the debacle, complaints, news about other ventures, whatever.

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by impolyt_one, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. Foxhound

    Foxhound Senior member

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    You have nothing to complain about so I don't really get what you're trying to do.
     
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  2. Foxhound

    Foxhound Senior member

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    That is the most stupid fucking analogy.


    Woodyear, is that you?!
     
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  3. Find Finn

    Find Finn Senior member

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    Does this idiot post in other threads than this one or did he just make a profile to complain about shit he knows jack shit about?
     
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  4. Find Finn

    Find Finn Senior member

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    wow, just wow. :facepalm:
     
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  5. BaronVonBishop

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    Maybe that's the case, but if so, then don't promise that this daypack thing is completely separate from the jacket thing. When he comes back, now he's going to have to deal with a backlog on both fronts and it's bound to cause even further delays.

    If his being away is the cause of the delays and there's no plans to address that, then just say it. If you're working on getting a guy to fill in temporarily, then say that. I'm not an impatient guy, and I like to think I'm reasonable - all I ask in return for not treating you like an idiot is that you don't treat me like one.

    It's good to know jackets may still be trickling out of the above is true, but I'm having a REALLY hard time believing that there are still workers cranking out jackets and the entire thing is being held up simply because it takes a special set of skills, that only one man possesses, to get things shipped.
     
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    I'm at nine months right now, I don't know about you guys, but that went by super fast for me. I still haven't reached my ideal size yet so I don't mind the wait as long as I get it.
     
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    It could but I don't believe it's fair to the original owners of the spots. They don't have any control over this clusterfuck at all. TOJ should just issue refunds and not have their customers sell their spots especially with how things are right now.
     
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  8. MauriSSio

    MauriSSio Senior member

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    name 5 of them.
     
  9. Find Finn

    Find Finn Senior member

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    I can name 50, but that is not the point.
     
  10. bawlin

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    The excuses you guys are coming up with in defence of TOJ are downright hilarious (and pathetic). If any other company operated in this manner, regardless of industry, there would be hell to pay.
     
  11. brad-t

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    not much incentive to improve when you've essentially already shut down business, though.
     
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  12. dieworkwear

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    Wasn't Drew supposedly hoping to turn this into a RTW brand? There was an Instagram pic of him and some other people a while ago, sitting around a table designing new jackets.
     
  13. willy cheesesteak

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    That was for a collab.
     
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    Curious, do you know why he won't just turn this into a RTW brand then? Seems like a lot of the work is done: designing the jackets, figuring out the materials, grading the sizes, and building a reputation. Seems like you could just turn the patterns over to a factory, give them the materials, churn out a couple hundred of these things, and sell them to stores.

    Granted, the prices would probably have to be higher, since the store needs to take a cut, but I imagine a mass production factory could also help lower the cost (at least compared to one-off MTMs)
     
  15. willy cheesesteak

    willy cheesesteak Senior member

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    Some of the reasons can be found here.
     
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  16. grizzlybear

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    reasons dont equal to answers..
     
  17. Raindrop

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    If you read the post, you notice the jackets are being made one by one..maybe production is just really, really slow.
     
  18. willy cheesesteak

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    dieworkwear asked why toj wasn't turned into a rtw brand, i linked to a post drew made that stated some of his reasons why. what is so hard to understand about that?
     
  19. dieworkwear

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    For what it's worth, on Savile Row, you can get a suit made within three weeks. That includes three fittings and a lot more handwork, especially in constructing the chest (which is all handpadded). For something simple, such as trousers, you could have them made in a couple of days, as there's no need for haircloth, padding, or canvasing. Same goes for a bespoke shirt, and both the pants and shirt would include a fitting.

    Granted, this doesn't touch on the bottlenecks that Drew has been alluding to (demand outstripping production capacity). I'm just addressing your point that one-by-one constructions necessarily take a lot of time.
     
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  20. noob in 89

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    Yes, but London has a surfeit of highly-skilled workers, people who know how to "mail" and "ee-mail". Not so in other parts of the world.
     

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