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TOJ - updates on the debacle, complaints, news about other ventures, whatever.

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by impolyt_one, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. DLester

    DLester Distinguished Member

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    I can see why you want to drop the m2m thing, death by a thousand cuts, I would probably hang myself after a day of reading the emails.........but if you offer 44-46-48-50-52 in regular and long sizes in everything (leathers, wool jackets, etc), that will probably fulfill the needs of about 95% of the people here who are interested and substantially reduce the hassle.

    just spitballing here; you have more data and think about it 24-7, or maybe 10-6
     


  2. Distorbiant

    Distorbiant Distinguished Member

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    Why can't the two co-exist?

    M2M for full leathers and then the factory for lower priced items that are high in demand, ie varsities/TOJ1s/other jackets/etc?
     


  3. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Stylish Dinosaur

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    Oh, you're completely right - and unfortunately that's how every other clothing brand works. I say it's unfortunate because the other 5% are mostly people who genuinely need a size that isn't offered, usually due to height (short/tall) and they deserve nice clothes like anybody else. There are a number of guys who are like 6'4+ who buy from us and it's really a great relationship, I wish more guys in the same boat knew about TOJ. I suppose many very tall guys have just given up on clothes altogether from the outset because of sizing issues. TOJ sizing, if it were to be partitioned by standard sizing, would still be a little unique - we have a ton of sizing data and have sized all kinds of people, and if we had to assign sizes, the look would be slim but size down the median, which is often different from how other brands grade their sizes. We just get a lot of people in between TOJ 46-50, but in reality that spread is more like a smallish Small to a larger Medium. There's like 1.5-2 size choices where other brands would have one.
     


  4. afixedpoint

    afixedpoint Crossfit

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    I like to think I made good use of MTM, my limited experience with stock sizes from B&S has not been the best
     


  5. gettoasty

    gettoasty Stylish Dinosaur

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    I love your drive to give coats their own space in your collection and hope that comes into fruition. Luxe wools you mention is going above and beyond
     


  6. Wade

    Wade Senior Member

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    TOJ offering coats in the future would be dope [​IMG]

    Always wanted an overcoat but most of the better makers of it charge like $2000+
     


  7. cyc wid it

    cyc wid it Stylish Dinosaur

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    Something something "what if it touches water, will it disintegrate / does it come in nylon" ?

    Really though, excited for all upcoming stuff leather or wool.
     


  8. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Stylish Dinosaur

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    well, the really good fabric is not cheap. I am not gonna make $2000 coats, but the fabric is not cheap.
     


  9. notwithit

    notwithit Pullup laureate

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    Just wanna say that if more wool coats are in the making, and more ToJ for teh lady-types is in the making, it could be a wondrous thing if ever the twain shall meet. :nodding:
     


  10. leeba

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    Can't wait to pick up a real coat next FW [​IMG]
     


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    I think your pricing is completely reasonable for a MTM leather jacket. Hell I've bought two of them so far and I know they are going to last me my entire life and be an item that I will pass down.

    You take a look at these designer leathers and for one, the quality is garbage, and two they are over double your price.

    TOJ offers an amazing product at a very competitive price, hence the penetration you've made over the past year or so.

    Whoever is complaining or making remarks that you are too expensive clearly has not bought a TOJ piece yet.
     


  12. Synthese

    Synthese Darth Millennial Dubiously Honored

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    stock sizes would really allow you take advantage of drunk impulse buyers, like myself. So, maybe don't do them.
     


  13. iamacyborg

    iamacyborg Distinguished Member

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    I don't think you can really compare pricing for designers compared to ToJ leathers though.

    Designers have to pay a boatload of staff, rent + utilities for retail premises, marketing budget, retail outlet markup, etc, etc. That's a massive overhead that has to be added to the cost, let alone just increasing the price due to brand cachet.

    It's really an apples and oranges thing. ToJ is ToJ, and they're operating in a completely different manner to most other retailers.

    I'd love to see stock sizes on some items though, $380 for a stock sized varsity or whatever would be a no-brainer for me.
     


  14. iamacyborg

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    I don't think you can really compare pricing for designers compared to ToJ leathers though.

    Designers have to pay a boatload of staff, rent + utilities for retail premises, marketing budget, retail outlet markup, etc, etc. That's a massive overhead that has to be added to the cost, let alone just increasing the price due to brand cachet.

    It's really an apples and oranges thing. ToJ is ToJ, and they're operating in a completely different manner to most other retailers.

    I'd love to see stock sizes on some items though, $380 for a stock sized varsity or whatever would be a no-brainer for me, even if I need to drop another $100 in tailoring.
     


  15. EvanM

    EvanM Well-Known Member

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    Do you feel that quality fabrics and pricepoints are a constraint for things you'd like to do?
    I know shearling was given as an example before.
    Sometimes I wonder what you could come up with if cost wasn't a concern.
    Heck, I'm sure you'd still have buyers even if there was a limited edition run of something in extremely luxe fabric.
     


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