TOJ - updates on the debacle, complaints, news about other ventures, whatever.

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by impolyt_one, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. CharlieAngel

    CharlieAngel Senior member

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    As a "Born in the Southern USA" half-breed, I always wanted to buy a big pickup truck with a South Korean flag on the back windshield with "The South Shall Rise Again" and "Heritage, Not Hate" emblazoned around it. I'm not sure many people would "get" the irony, though.... ;)
     
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    So much talk about MDR, DR, baseball jacket, TOJ1, CWU etc.

    I remembered though one of the jackets that started it all...the TOJ Moto

    I think it is decided for me in terms of which jacket. I played with the idea about an DR or QDR, and then the CWU looked real good...but a moto is just what I feel will best fit my wardrobe now and beyond. Not sure why the jacket kind of curved down in terms of discussion on the forums.

    Is it still your favorite Drew, or was it ever? I will always remember you talking about leather jacket collars and necklines and for me that is a very sensitive issue as I have a neck of a giraffe. That is why for me, I like high collars...

    a photo of me:
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    FWIW, QDR/DR is too aggressive for my face I think. CWU is real good ... a toss between CWU and Moto it seems
     
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  3. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    Yeah I agree, a Moto would suit you nicely. A banded collar that sit around your neck like that would look great. I don't really know why attention has moved away from the Moto either- being that it is one of the oldest designs, that means its also very dialed in. There's little I can do to change it.
     
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    The moto is an awesome piece, but it doesn't have all the bells and whistles like some of the other jackets. Do we need 20 cup holders, air conditioned seats, colorful lighting, parking sensors, etc. in our cars? Absolutely not, but people buy it because they want the "best." Even if it's just gratuitous and unnecessary features.

    And because I am curious, what don't you like about the Aeglus bomber, Drew?

    *edit* Another point on the moto is that people can't buy that many $700+ jackets. If they're going to drop that much, they may be looking for the jacket to make more of a statement than a moto.
     
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  5. gettoasty

    gettoasty Senior member

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    I looked through the photo album and honestly, not a lot of people look great in it. Your sample fit was probably the best and Lionheart really killed the momentum TBH. Vaio looks pretty good, got that long hair too that is reflective of you. poly900rock also pretty good as I look through the album...Forgot about ceoceo oh damn =\

    Mr.Rosewater looks damn good in the grey

    The different browns are nice, but it still looks best in black

    Where are your sample photos Drew : )?
    Question regarding the collar, does it soften up to drape better or does it always stand outwardly? Not sure how often I would wear it zipped, is there sort of a belt loop to have the collar folded back when unzipped?


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    May I request that Willy pull up the TOJ Moto sample of Drew? Need side by side comparison as I would probably wear them the same with an OCBD and trousers/denim

    What I have thus far:
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    dmash Senior member

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    I really think the moto looks the best pulled off by a more built guy. That and super skinny.....but super skinny guys can pull of any leather.
     
  7. aaaeeeiiiooouuu

    aaaeeeiiiooouuu Senior member

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    There's a snap button on the inside of the collar so the dangly part can be tucked inside
     
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    I just got my CWU with ribbed collar and its fuckin sick. To be honest though if you want a timeless piece you should go for the traditional collar but I already have a bomber in one of those. Sizing is just perfect Im thinking of getting another bomber just to get that perfect fit. I'll prob get a moto real soon too, I want something that will last a lifetime so thinking of getting that dark horsehide or a dark whiskey calf.
     
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    Am I slim enough because I agree with you dmash, I want my moto to drape on my body like melting butter
    Really built guys I do not think the moto looks as nice TBH, too much spread in the chest shoulder area where the collar starts pulling all weird. That or they sized wrong..

    I pulled some photos from Sufu where the moto first emerged (I am sold)


    Noticed that upon further inspection, Drew of course already got that covered :happy:

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    yee yee : )
     
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    Drew, I'm sad to hear that you'll not be offering MTM anymore. However, it's kind of a bitter-sweet feeling - I'm happy that you'll be moving on to your next phase.

    I've had my grey lamb MDR for around 5 months now, and it feels like a part of me. It's an absolutely perfect fit. Usually I like things to fit ultra slim, but this has a bit more room in the arms than I'm used to. At first, I wasn't so sure about that, but as time's gone on, I've come to appreciate it as part of the TOJ cut. I can see myself wearing the jacket in 20 years, and thanking myself for not going with super-slim sleeves. I work in a soul-less department store in Birmingham, UK, where the leathers sold are more than twice the price, and probably half the quality. It's satisfying when I drop in on a day off, and the clueless staff want to know all about my jacket, and how I managed to get something so good for so much less. It's almost like it shatters their whole understanding of the clothing industry just like that! I think that alludes to what makes TOJ great - it's just real, honest clothing. You're not buying into a name, you're not paying for magazine adverts, you're not paying for anything except for the work of Drew, Charly and Dan, a slab of leather, and someone to make it. That's why I love it.

    I'm on 9 weeks on my red calf 2010DR, can't wait.
     
  11. robinsongreen68

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    ^ could anyone please link me to drew's collar/ face shape comments mentioned above? i recently realised the ro moto i wanted doesn't suit me because of the low-cut band collar ( i too have a long neck).
     
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    Is the recollection still going to happen? Really want a chesterfield for fall/winter
     
  13. impolyt_one

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    whoa, blast from the past - didn't remember we made that kidney-zip version til now, that was over a couple years ago. Loved that. Notice how it has a yoke across the top while retaining the gusseting. I don't know if the kidney zip detail was good or bad in the end, but it did give a little in the hips. I never got to see it in action, in fit. I like how they look though, they're an interesting add-on to the back.
     
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    impolyt_one Senior member

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    also, for the record, I never liked that aeglus fit or the washed-out jacket pics. They don't really convey the image of TOJ leather jackets very well. I purposely make things that aren't the wrinkled and washed distressed leather jackets in the vein of the Japanese mid-market goth ninja stuff, yet people try to take the TOJ and go in that direction. I feel it's missing something when you do that anyway. I say stick with the classical leather jacket look, which is more contemporary anyhow. That wrinkled/washed thing is better left behind in 2008.
     
  15. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    thank you man, I appreciate that people can see it. The lead times do get on a bit sometimes, because it's a human-made product and it's like one of those insanely popular food stalls sometimes, there has to be a queue. I am happy that people do recognize the intrinsic qualities that are there, ones that are the foundation of the project that will not go away unless I do - I also challenge people to go and try to find something that hits as hard as TOJ for the same price, or even more - it's a really tough proposition. Now that I live in Tokyo, where all manners of good clothes are available and numerous in choice, I like to go out and see what it is other clothiers make - and naturally, I admire some, I dislike some - but nothing comes close the material content or quality that we make for even twice the price. It's really something special.

    Interesting note, just saw a Plokhov leather flight jacket that looks like it goes pretty toe to toe with the ribbed collar version of the TOJ CWU - AP's is a more design-y interpretation of the same thing, a couple mode-style details, a couple extraneous, very quickly expiring details (I think it has an iPhone pocket on the breast) - but the leather, once again, is either the same as the TOJ NZ black lamb, or something incredibly similar. Thick and with a nice soft hand, a bit cool to the touch. It might've been a soft calfskin but it seems the materials would be interchangeable at that level of intrinsic quality, neither function less or more than the other. Anyway, it was nice but I didn't care for the design itself, I prefer mine and gotta give a fair nod to the little suede patch I put on the chest of the CWU to interpret the velcro on the surplus version. I have no idea what the AP jacket costs, but I'm sure it's at least 2.5-3 times the TOJ. It's no Tom Ford, at least. I'm still rolling about the pricetag on that TF jacket, because what I make is already 9X% of it at 7% of the price. :slayer: It feels really good to be lean and hitting hard, that's a powerful feeling.
     
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