TOJ - updates on the debacle, complaints, news about other ventures, whatever.

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by impolyt_one, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    there's hardly any need for a 'short' size if there is a regular and long size - it's available in tailored clothing because sleeve lengths and jacket lengths matter, but on casual clothes, what's the difference if you end up with a half break in your leather jacket sleeve? It will only look cooler.
    Added to this, most males are within a similar range of measurements whether they're 5'4 or 6'4, because the bare minimum most guys weigh is about 115/120 on the shortest end - so the changes are proportional, most people fit into 'regular' sizes. Maybe not with absolute precision, but close enough that one size will clearly fit you better than another size. And that's life outside of the TOJ universe...
     
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    impolyt_one Senior member

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    I don't want to tie my name to those names because they are old established brands with millions of dollars getting paid out to support their sprawl, in extra hands, in real estate footage, etc - they do use economies of scale, but in the end, think of how many hands are in the pot to sell a $175 pair of APC jeans. I don't want to get to the point where I have a big bloated operation just working to pay for paychecks, from the business standpoint it just needs to be a well-performing machine that delivers my goods reliably. I think in the cases of those big names, yes, all glory to Hiroki and to Jean, but maybe a case of diminishing returns, not necessarily needing to sow more seeds to reap more grain, or likewise, expecting that growth is linear and productive with every square inch of footprint.
     
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    ceoceo Senior member

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    But then there is this racial difference. I can't buy shirts in America without looking like Mexican kids.
    I am totally fine with you going Daiki Suzuki and design the fit according to your body type- 5'8'' Skinny Asian ftw :slayer:
     
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    impolyt_one Senior member

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    Not really, as you may be aware of, we sell clothes to Asian dudes quite frequently - wouldn't know who is what if we didn't get their names. It doesn't matter if you're black, white, Asian, hispanic, whateva - as long as you're not fat, you fit into most clothes. It may not be shrink-wrapped BoO and shit, but who wants to look like that anyway? I want to create style that is not regrettable.
     
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    Any recommendations for either of the two Italian green calfskin leather?
     
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    Drew said they were both very nice. What jacket are you planning on getting? Should help shape your decision. Bottle green seems like a louder color.
     
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    That's actually the reason why I was asking, because I trust his judgement on the quality of leather and I was actually leaning more towards the olive green just wasn't really sure on which. I was actually thinking of 2010 navy dr in lamb but I'm thinking of changing it to a different jacket. I think green might look a little off but I could be wrong.
     
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    I dunno, I'm sad that I didn't get in on TOJ early enough to get more than one MTM, but I have about zero worry of any OTR stuff looking any less awesome.

    This is highly reminiscent, to me, of the usual "Should I add a quarter inch here?" "No, just email Charly and you'll get a perfect jacket." There's no reason not to trust these dudes to make shit well. They certainly have the track record to prove they know how to cut things well.
     
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    ceoceo Senior member

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    ^ now I want a leather jacket now just so that I can tell the future ToJ-ers of that bygone era.
     
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    aaaeeeiiiooouuu Senior member

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    amazing
    this pic really didnt get enough love when it was first posted


    great news :)
    i hope the usual leathers will still be available
     
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    Kross Senior member

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    I for one hope you never become hiroki/vivism
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    I love TOJ just the way it is and OTR sounds like it'll give you guys more time to put towards R&D which is a +++ imo
     
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    Ahahah lol this gif is the best

    Visvim is the worst, Ive only met awkward asian kids who are into it IRL / online
     
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    I had to look up what this is. It's a shame you won't be making more. That thing is :drool:
    Also, browsing his tumblr makes me jealous of his life (and by association his insane ToJ collection of course)



    Good stuff, man :crackup:
     
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    impolyt_one Senior member

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    Hiroki/Visvim is just monetizing their investment on Chinese money- unlikely they quit, but I can't help but feel its a means to the end for him, maybe it's the late stage of his game with the label. Recently I saw a pic of him pre Visvim, maybe around the iDiom days- so funny to see him young and without the long hair and Navajo getup. He has refined a vision, for sure, but you can't help but feel that in the future the label will just sit there without as much energy as before, maturity has been reached and it will just be this store in Harajuku with the $500 shirts and $4-8000 leather jackets and shit, like soulless rich old/rich young Chinese dude stuff to be copped because it's expensive. We won't be going down that path. I like nice stuff myself but never get into anything simply because of a price tag. I usually just get drawn to things for some simple, yet irreplaceable quality that many share the same sentiments about.
     

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